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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:03
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"The wings. If it flew to fuel starvation, then fuel tanks in the wings would now be air tanks and float."

It's highly unlikely that the wings would survive contact with the sea intact. Indeed, for either or both of them to be floating, they would have to have been sheared from the fuselage.

I hope I am wrong, but I don't see this being MH370 wreckage.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:03
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Buoys will be dropped to facilitate relocating the objects.

If from MH370 several days of drift will have to be accounted for to determine a search area for the FDR.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:04
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24 m = 80 feet. Ok, just an estimate. But it is a big piece of something.

He also said it was "awash". If so, the drift will be largely based on current rather than current and wind. Will help a bit estimating backtrack.

2 hours overhead only. AC sequenced to maintain continuous coverage for the rest of today. They are doing best they can do with limited assets at long range.

He also said it was a bit south of search area. That Chinese ship was also to the south I believe.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:05
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P3's have significantly more endurance than 10 hours. My guess is that they need to allow for a possible 3 eng return to Pearce due lack of alternates.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:06
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Does the orstraylian version of the P3 have the ability to take FLIR pix or photos and then upload them back to base via satellite?
I assume that if they actually spotted something in the next 2 hours of bouncing around out there, they'd be able to get a shot and send it back?
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:06
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AMSA newsroom

The AMSA web site has just been updated with more information including a media statement.



http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:07
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Re the Chinese ship.

Did you notice the way the media question re the Chinese ship was deflected ?????

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The Chinese ship was there way before anyone else ??????
What did they know that no one else did ?

I guess they had Satellites like the US has.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:09
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Does the orstraylian version of the P3 have the ability to take FLIR pix or photos and then upload them back to base via satellite?
Or Coast Watch DH-8's certainly do, I would be surprised if the P-3's didn't have the capability.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:11
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I suspect what's happened is that AGIO just downloaded a big dump of commercial and maybe some spysat IMINT, and set some sort of pattern recognition algorithm going on the data set.
It pops up lots of frames to examine.
That's when the experts pull them up on the huge monitors and start looking in detail.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:12
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If this is the missing airplane will Australia be responsible for doing the investigations?
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:13
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"Merchant" vessel

HANG SHENG 1 Current position (IMO N/A MMSI 413501228) - Vessel Finder

It's the same one we were following some days ago, the miraculous 50-knots sailing cargo ship.

Well, i guess everyone got its share of the fallen cake. And ours is utter rubbish
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:14
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P-8A range

Deployed US Navy P8-A search on site is 250-270knots @ 5,000
range of 1,200 miles with 4 hours on site.
From Perth


http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=79729
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:14
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Search operation for Malaysian airlines aircraft: Update 6

Media Enquiries: 1300 624 633
20th March, 2014: 1530 (AEDT)
Search operation for Malaysian airlines aircraft: Update 6
Statement from AMSA Emergency Response Division General Manager John Young
* All times will be expressed in Australian Eastern Daylight Savings Time.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority is coordinating the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, with assistance from the Australian Defence Force, the New Zealand Air Force and the United States Navy.
AMSA’s Rescue Coordination Centre Australia has received satellite imagery of objects possibly related to the search for the missing aircraft, flight MH370.

RCC Australia received an expert assessment of commercial satellite imagery on Thursday.

The images were captured by satellite. They may not be related to the aircraft.

The assessment of these images was provided by the Australian Geospatial-Intelligence Organisation as a possible indication of debris south of the search area that has been the focus of the search operation.
The imagery is in the vicinity of the search area defined and searched in the past two days.

Four aircraft have been reoriented to the area 2500 kilometres south-west of Perth as a result of this information.

A Royal Australian Air Force Orion aircraft arrived in the area about 1.50pm.

A further three aircraft have been tasked by RCC Australia to the area later today, including a Royal New Zealand Air Force Orion and United States Navy P8 Poseidon aircraft.

The Poseidon aircraft is expected to arrive at 3pm. The second RAAF Orion is expected to depart RAAF Base Pearce at 6pm.

The New Zealand Orion is due to depart at 8pm.

A RAAF C-130 Hercules aircraft has been tasked by RCC Australia to drop datum marker buoys.

These marker buoys assist RCC Australia by providing information about water movement to assist in drift modelling. They will provide an ongoing reference point if the task of relocating the objects becomes protracted.
A merchant ship that responded to a shipping broadcast issued by RCC Australia on Monday is expected to arrive in the area about 6pm.

Royal Australian Navy ship HMAS Success is en route to the area but is some days away from this area. She is well equipped to recover any objects located and proven to be from MH370.

The focus for AMSA is to continue the search operation, with all available assets.

The assets are searching for anything signs of the missing aircraft.
Weather conditions are moderate in the Southern Indian Ocean where the search is taking place. Poor visibility has been reported.
AMSA continues to hold grave concerns for the passengers and crew on board.

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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:15
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HMAS Success en route

HMAS Success last seen on the AIS 17 hrs ago steaming at 17kts on a course of 243 degrees.

I guess that's limit range for the AUS West coast receiving station

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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:18
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The Chinese ship was there way before anyone else ??????
What did they know that no one else did ?

I guess they had Satellites like the US has.
The Inmarsat ping data had to have been shared with the Chinese "officially" so they could do the Northern search.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:19
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It's highly unlikely that the wings would survive contact with the sea intact. Indeed, for either or both of them to be floating, they would have to have been sheared from the fuselage.
I'd have to disagree with the first part of that comment. (And not so much with the second.) The engine pods would quite possibly shear off, and in doing so, might possibly shear at least one wing off. (If there was any sort of swell running at the time of ditching, the most skilled pilot would be hard-pressed to stop one wing digging in to the water while the aircraft was still at a considerable speed - and (see below), there is film in existence to show that that can turn the alighting into a rather violent affair.)

However, most reading here will have seen the Ethiopian 767 ditching in the shallows off the Comorres. There's every likelihood that a wing has remained in one piece, and with its fuel tanks empty, (as they would almost certainly be if it the MAS 777's wing), it would float on or immediately under the surface for quite some time.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:19
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If the wreckage is found in the Australian FIR then they will lead the investigation.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:20
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A good summary in point form of the news conference here
as well as the tasking of the Aust, US and NZ aircraft.


Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Debris found in search for MH370, says Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:20
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The professionalism of AMSA, 10 and 11 SQNs makes you feel good to be an Aussie.

A country of 23m people looking after over 10% of the Earth's surface.




Oz and NZ P3s and US P-8....Fincastle 2014.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 05:21
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Is it in Australias FIR ?

Anyone know ?

Looks like it but don't know where the line stops.
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