Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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I'm quite astonished by the absolute confidence with which those ministers confirm something which is the opposite of what they confirmed the day before, without a flicker of a blush or an acknowledgement that this is a course correction. I'm not sure that 'facts' are what we've got or will get. My new term for what comes out of a Malaysian minister's mouth is 'mangosteens'. We've had tons of mangosteens dumped on us by those press conferences.
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People...get a grip. You can't...well at least in the 777s I fly...upload a second route and not know about it. And if you did, you would have to execute it to make it active, then you would have to be aware you are using Route Two. This thing is getting way out if hand.
What is happening is, as I said days ago and got deleted for, there is rubbish coming from the Malaysian ministers. They tell one story and then another. They are contradicting what they said as fact 12 hours previously, they say that they know something to be true, when yesterday it was false..or the other way round.
These people are used to saying something to the media, and never having it questioned.
They, in my opinion only, are trying to cover up something big time, but are so far out of their depth, trying to do it in front of the worlds media, the cracks are showing.
What is happening is, as I said days ago and got deleted for, there is rubbish coming from the Malaysian ministers. They tell one story and then another. They are contradicting what they said as fact 12 hours previously, they say that they know something to be true, when yesterday it was false..or the other way round.
These people are used to saying something to the media, and never having it questioned.
They, in my opinion only, are trying to cover up something big time, but are so far out of their depth, trying to do it in front of the worlds media, the cracks are showing.
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What baffles me the most is the fact that tangible data has not yet been released on dispatched fuel load. I would imagine that such a piece would be absolutely vital to an investigation focusing on range capabilities and potential routing.
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Hi,
If this aircraft crashed on ground (jungle) like the one in Shanksville (Flight 93) .. this will be difficult to find him (the fingerprint in Shanksville was very small !!)
If this aircraft crashed on ground (jungle) like the one in Shanksville (Flight 93) .. this will be difficult to find him (the fingerprint in Shanksville was very small !!)
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I think the sim files are a complete red herring.
I think it is safe to assume that an educated man such as an airline pilot, who was part of / masterminded a very involved and complicated hijacking would know how to remove data in a way that could not be traced and / or files recovered.
Surely in you were planning such a thing, covering your tracks would be considered and catered for.
I think it is safe to assume that an educated man such as an airline pilot, who was part of / masterminded a very involved and complicated hijacking would know how to remove data in a way that could not be traced and / or files recovered.
Surely in you were planning such a thing, covering your tracks would be considered and catered for.
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I'm quite astonished by the absolute confidence with which those ministers confirm something which is the opposite of what they confirmed the day before,
The same, all the world over.
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Do you think they are purposely limiting the info so that the Chinese don't get to the wreckage first?
I've noticed now on the Wikipedia page, they delisted China as a helping nation. I think something has happened diplomatically or maybe it was getting too chaotic in the South China Sea last week.
I've noticed now on the Wikipedia page, they delisted China as a helping nation. I think something has happened diplomatically or maybe it was getting too chaotic in the South China Sea last week.
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Plea for release of data
Boeing, Rolls-Royce and Inmarsat have some data which has not been shared with the public. It is possible, perhaps even likely, that the unwashed public will not be able to make any more sense of the data than have the experts who have been analyzing it for more than a week. I agree with the principle that the authorities (governments and their experts) should have initial access to the data and should be given a reasonable time in secret to work with it. But, there comes a time when the public should be given a chance to do their own analysis. I think a week of secrecy is long enough and the time for disclosure has come.
I trust Boeing and Airbus, and the engine manufacturers, too. They are engineers whose integrity I trust. The government of Malaysia, not so much. The next of kin on passengers on flight MH370, in particular, should make a plea directly to Boeing, Rolls-Royce and Inmarsat to release their data or, in the alternative, for a description of the restrictions which have been imposed on their release of the data. In the latter case, the public would have a clearer idea of who is frustrating the data-flow. I see of the website MH370 Malaysian disappeared search rescue such a plea, and I support it.
I trust Boeing and Airbus, and the engine manufacturers, too. They are engineers whose integrity I trust. The government of Malaysia, not so much. The next of kin on passengers on flight MH370, in particular, should make a plea directly to Boeing, Rolls-Royce and Inmarsat to release their data or, in the alternative, for a description of the restrictions which have been imposed on their release of the data. In the latter case, the public would have a clearer idea of who is frustrating the data-flow. I see of the website MH370 Malaysian disappeared search rescue such a plea, and I support it.
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At the third stroke ...
The time will be ... Whatever that particular 'system' is using.
I would expect ACARS, r/t recording, radar recording and indeed the aircraft to all be working to the same time, properly synchronised with an atomic clock somewhere. But then again, when trying to determine a sequence of events by reference to possibly different time-stamps ...
Just a passing thought, as the sequence of events seems to be being regarded as an absolute.
I would expect ACARS, r/t recording, radar recording and indeed the aircraft to all be working to the same time, properly synchronised with an atomic clock somewhere. But then again, when trying to determine a sequence of events by reference to possibly different time-stamps ...
Just a passing thought, as the sequence of events seems to be being regarded as an absolute.
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Spot the difference:
1) "What baffles me the most is the fact that tangible data has not yet been released on dispatched fuel load. I would imagine that such a piece would be absolutely vital to an investigation focusing on range capabilities and potential routing."
2) "What baffles me the most is the fact that tangible data has not yet been investigated on dispatched fuel load. I would imagine that such a piece would be absolutely vital to an investigation focusing on range capabilities and potential routing."
Of course the fuel load and range is being analysed, but the investigation does not take place in public, nor should it.
1) "What baffles me the most is the fact that tangible data has not yet been released on dispatched fuel load. I would imagine that such a piece would be absolutely vital to an investigation focusing on range capabilities and potential routing."
2) "What baffles me the most is the fact that tangible data has not yet been investigated on dispatched fuel load. I would imagine that such a piece would be absolutely vital to an investigation focusing on range capabilities and potential routing."
Of course the fuel load and range is being analysed, but the investigation does not take place in public, nor should it.
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Hi,
Well .. is not always true
Think about the terrorist Atta (plenty evidences In the trunk of his car)
Surely in you were planning such a thing, covering your tracks would be considered and catered for.
Think about the terrorist Atta (plenty evidences In the trunk of his car)
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That tells me that whoever was once in control of the aircraft was disabled or dead at 8:11. The aircraft then crashed and could not have landed at an airstrip of any kind.
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In the ICAOs Asia / Pacific regional report dated 2010, I read about the implementation of an ADS-B air-ground surveillance system to facilitate data exchange in boundary areas between neighboring ACCs of States in that area. It appears ADS-B ground stations were under construction (since 2007)for sharing in the SE Asia Sub Region of Malaysia, Thailand, Laois, Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia and that operational trials were expected to be conducted by the end of 2010. ADS-B is recognised as being more accurate alternative surveillance solution to radar in areas where radar installations are impractical. Does any one know what happened to this plan? Was it up and running even partially?
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@Lost in Saigon: Read the thread. Known (unverified):
* Last two pings came from same location = airframe not moving but operative.
I think we can rule out the fire and crash scenarios. Why steal a plane to then crash it?
"There are no coincidences. Everything has a reason. Your brain may not know the reason. It may never find out."
* Last two pings came from same location = airframe not moving but operative.
I think we can rule out the fire and crash scenarios. Why steal a plane to then crash it?
"There are no coincidences. Everything has a reason. Your brain may not know the reason. It may never find out."
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toffeez,
Although I agree with your outlook, as someone with quite a bit of expertise in public relations, I feel that transparency in crisis communication is fundamentally important in keeping the media flocks away from exactly what they're doing now. Releasing known and easily attainable information is an easy way of achieving transparency.
Although I agree with your outlook, as someone with quite a bit of expertise in public relations, I feel that transparency in crisis communication is fundamentally important in keeping the media flocks away from exactly what they're doing now. Releasing known and easily attainable information is an easy way of achieving transparency.
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From this source
http://www.icao.int/APAC/Meetings/20...%20Updates.pdf
It was up and running but it's reliability was questionable so it was discontinued.
Supposedly to be up and running again in MAY 2014
http://www.icao.int/APAC/Meetings/20...%20Updates.pdf
It was up and running but it's reliability was questionable so it was discontinued.
Supposedly to be up and running again in MAY 2014
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@Lost in Saigon: Read the thread. Known (unverified):
* Last two pings came from same location = airframe not moving but operative.
I think we can rule out the fire and crash scenarios. Why steal a plane to then crash it?
"There are no coincidences. Everything has a reason. Your brain may not know the reason. It may never find out."
* Last two pings came from same location = airframe not moving but operative.
I think we can rule out the fire and crash scenarios. Why steal a plane to then crash it?
"There are no coincidences. Everything has a reason. Your brain may not know the reason. It may never find out."
Are you saying that is proof the aircraft landed or was ditched intact?