Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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For those who watched the horror of the 9/11 events unfold on live TV it illustrated that nothing is seemingly off the agenda as far as terrorist shock, audacity and surprise is concerned. Truly stranger than fiction.
However, if there was a plot to do something wicked with the MAS aircraft, and that MAY have been the case, the world will have known about this by now.
So..... as a poster said many many posts back - the aircraft and its passengers have perished,the aircraft sank to the sea-bed somewhere and will eventually be discovered.
Thats ALL we know.
However, if there was a plot to do something wicked with the MAS aircraft, and that MAY have been the case, the world will have known about this by now.
So..... as a poster said many many posts back - the aircraft and its passengers have perished,the aircraft sank to the sea-bed somewhere and will eventually be discovered.
Thats ALL we know.
Press Briefing 14th March
0940 GMT. The Malaysian transport minister gave the latest situation, in summary there are no new developments. He wouldn't comment on statements made by un named officials regarding data received (e.g. Rolls Royce). He said circumstances had forced them to widen their search.
Briefing continues.
Briefing continues.
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When I saw the FAA report I concluded the same. However I did not consider a slow decompression.
Effectively the aircraft could be anywhere within a large radius.
Stanford student's theory on disappearance of MH370 goes viral
Effectively the aircraft could be anywhere within a large radius.
Stanford student's theory on disappearance of MH370 goes viral
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I was listening to LiveATC recordings (archive)
WMKK Control from 15:00Z to 17:30Z on March 7. I have not found any MH370 communication with Kuala Lumpur Control. Which is sort of strange.
Did anyone find traces in LiveATC archives?
WMKK Control from 15:00Z to 17:30Z on March 7. I have not found any MH370 communication with Kuala Lumpur Control. Which is sort of strange.
Did anyone find traces in LiveATC archives?
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Live from KL
Press conference going on at 0930 GMT
1 Turnback not 100% certified. primary military radar shows an unidentified aircraft flew across the peninsula.
2 US satelliet information cannot be revealed right now until verified and confirmed
3 we are now sharing info that is not normally shared because of national security
4 cannot confirm that there has been no hijacking
5 we are extending the search into the Indian Ocean and further into the South China Sea
6 two oil slicks found near area of last point of contact - one had jet fuel but say not from MH370. Other had no jet fuel.
7 Plane flew across the peninsula and on up to Andaman islands question - Transport minister will not confirm or verify.
8 Reports engine data continued not true.
1 Turnback not 100% certified. primary military radar shows an unidentified aircraft flew across the peninsula.
2 US satelliet information cannot be revealed right now until verified and confirmed
3 we are now sharing info that is not normally shared because of national security
4 cannot confirm that there has been no hijacking
5 we are extending the search into the Indian Ocean and further into the South China Sea
6 two oil slicks found near area of last point of contact - one had jet fuel but say not from MH370. Other had no jet fuel.
7 Plane flew across the peninsula and on up to Andaman islands question - Transport minister will not confirm or verify.
8 Reports engine data continued not true.
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Just at end of press conference, Transport Minister said:
FAA and NTSB have looked at the Malaysian data and have agreed that the search should continue in both East and West direction
FAA and NTSB have looked at the Malaysian data and have agreed that the search should continue in both East and West direction
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(if) A Deliberate Act Requires Preparation
Elsewhere earlier in this thread it has been said that 9M-MRO underwent C-check a week or so prior to the MH-370 event ... the Provider of that Maintenance service to MAS should be asked by the relevant Authorities to list those individuals who boarded the aircraft on this occasion. Correlate ?
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Malaysian officials still evasive
Hard job juggling 'National security' and full disclosure in such a bureaucratic country. I get the impression the authorities already know most of what has occurred but will not reveal it. Main issue is why....what is still at stake?
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Having vast experience of dealing with militaries, I've learned one thing: if they keep silence about anything particular, 9 times out of 10 it has nothing to do with classified information. Usually they simply know nothing and trying to hide it behind the smoke screen.
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"I don't subscribe to the theory of someone else hijacking the plan because by know the backgrounds of all those on board would have been examined and anyone without a pilot's licence learning to operate a 737's navigational and comms system would be suspicious...."
Agreed.
And besides to hijack a plane from outside the flight deck especially a 777 you would need a while team of people with equipment. Not just to get into the flight deck but to defend and ward off cabin crew and passengers in a counter attack - which after 9/11 would guaranteed.
Also they would have no way of ensuring they could gain control at a time where fuel resources would allow diversion to their chosen destination.
And any attack on the flight deck from out side would have resulted in mayday calls.
The cards are all starting to fall the one way.
Agreed.
And besides to hijack a plane from outside the flight deck especially a 777 you would need a while team of people with equipment. Not just to get into the flight deck but to defend and ward off cabin crew and passengers in a counter attack - which after 9/11 would guaranteed.
Also they would have no way of ensuring they could gain control at a time where fuel resources would allow diversion to their chosen destination.
And any attack on the flight deck from out side would have resulted in mayday calls.
The cards are all starting to fall the one way.
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Stuffy,
This has been discounted before. (1) Boeing said this particular airframe was not fitted with the specific SATCOM antenna installation that is the subject of the AD, and (2), it would not explain the cessation of ADS-B transmissions.
EDIT: I guess the third point is, the AD is from september and requires inspections, but only becomes effective in April 2014. This means the FAA does not consider it urgent. (Not to mention the nonsense of people becoming unconscious at 13,500 ft.)
When I saw the FAA report I concluded the same. However I did not consider a slow decompression.
Effectively the aircraft could be anywhere within a large radius.
Stanford student's theory on disappearance of MH370 goes viral
Effectively the aircraft could be anywhere within a large radius.
Stanford student's theory on disappearance of MH370 goes viral
EDIT: I guess the third point is, the AD is from september and requires inspections, but only becomes effective in April 2014. This means the FAA does not consider it urgent. (Not to mention the nonsense of people becoming unconscious at 13,500 ft.)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dress
So they haven't investigated the pilot's simulator yet? Whoa.
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Originally Posted by FE Hoppy
Home Flight sim not searched yet?
What the hell have they been doing!
Why the heck should they? Seriously? Back the hell down! What evidence do you have to suggest the home flight sim has anything to do with this?
Originally Posted by Dress
So they haven't investigated the pilot's simulator yet? Whoa.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FE Hoppy
Home Flight sim not searched yet?
What the hell have they been doing!
Why the heck should they? Seriously? Back the hell down! What evidence do you have to suggest the home flight sim has anything to do with this?
You don't just sit back and wait for the evidence to fall in your lap. You go and find it!
"Just at end of press conference, Transport Minister said:
FAA and NTSB have looked at the Malaysian data and have agreed that the search should continue in both East and West direction"
What he said was that the FAA/NTSB had agreed with their (Malaysian) decision to search in both areas; in other words they (US) also thought it was the right thing to do.
FAA and NTSB have looked at the Malaysian data and have agreed that the search should continue in both East and West direction"
What he said was that the FAA/NTSB had agreed with their (Malaysian) decision to search in both areas; in other words they (US) also thought it was the right thing to do.
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Looking at the ATP drawing of the F/D O2 bottle many pages back, whilst the location is different, the basic installation appears to be very similar to the B767/757.
This aeroplane received base maintenance on 23 FEB - was the crew O2 bottle changed at this point (timex)?One of the checks at installation (and at other maintenance intervals at least on the B76/75) is to check that the large green on/off valve on the bottle top is both open and wirelocked - using the fine copper wire used on some FD guarded switches.
I know from a previous life that bottles have been found not wirelocked and on at least one occasion with the valve shut (and wirelocked) rendering the crew emergency oxygen system U/S. How this reconciles with the press to test and dolls eye on the oxygen mask stowage I know not and they do of course have additional portable oxy bottles on the flight deck - whether the crew (in an emergency situation) would recognise the problem is an entirely different question.
Having undergone chamber training at Boscombe Down many years ago I can only ever remember the rapid recovery once O2 is once more provided and that's when you know its about to happen.
On a different note and not wanting to denigrate a missing crew member
,whilst I am sure that many pilots have flight simulator software on their desk/laptops or iPads I still find it at least unusual or worse strange that a current high hours skipper has a room completely replicated as much as possible to a T7 cockpit.Whatevers been said on this forum thread and at MAS press conferences I cannot believe that the aircrew premises have not been searched by now.
Just a couple of thoughts at a very difficult time.
This aeroplane received base maintenance on 23 FEB - was the crew O2 bottle changed at this point (timex)?One of the checks at installation (and at other maintenance intervals at least on the B76/75) is to check that the large green on/off valve on the bottle top is both open and wirelocked - using the fine copper wire used on some FD guarded switches.
I know from a previous life that bottles have been found not wirelocked and on at least one occasion with the valve shut (and wirelocked) rendering the crew emergency oxygen system U/S. How this reconciles with the press to test and dolls eye on the oxygen mask stowage I know not and they do of course have additional portable oxy bottles on the flight deck - whether the crew (in an emergency situation) would recognise the problem is an entirely different question.
Having undergone chamber training at Boscombe Down many years ago I can only ever remember the rapid recovery once O2 is once more provided and that's when you know its about to happen.
On a different note and not wanting to denigrate a missing crew member
,whilst I am sure that many pilots have flight simulator software on their desk/laptops or iPads I still find it at least unusual or worse strange that a current high hours skipper has a room completely replicated as much as possible to a T7 cockpit.Whatevers been said on this forum thread and at MAS press conferences I cannot believe that the aircrew premises have not been searched by now.
Just a couple of thoughts at a very difficult time.
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Originally Posted by FE Hoppy
Given that an aircraft with over 200 passengers is missing and communications ceased in a "systematic" manner. There can be no doubt that anyone able to do that has to be a suspect. They should all be investigated including house searches and the flight sim could contain information pertinent to the case.
You don't just sit back and wait for the evidence to fall in your lap. You go and find it!
You don't just sit back and wait for the evidence to fall in your lap. You go and find it!
Originally Posted by Dress
Because the near-total lack of information pointing to the plane's fate necessarily means that authorities need to examine the spectre of possible wrongdoing by those who could have held its fate in their hands?
Hit your head of the wall all you like Dress, but your demands they check the home flight sim is just and ridiculous and unwarranted and others suggesting they search China for the plane.
Up to know, the only certain truth is a plane is missing. It's transponder stopped transmitting and it's not been seen or heard from since. All else is conjecture.
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Well with the Andaman Islands being a possible hot bed of LTTE maybe it was taken so as to be used against the Govt of Sri Lanka? Filled with god knows what to be flown 911 style into something important in Sri Lanka??
If you want to hijack a plane and fly it into a building you do just that and have the element of surprise on your side. You don't hijack a plane, fly it a 1000 miles, land it somewhere then attempt to use it again when the eyes of the world (and every satellite & military asset in the region) are looking for that one plane.
Apart from anything else, how many people do you think would have to be involved in an enterprise like that?