Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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After finding cracks in the Wings on the 787 production line and added to the 787 Battery issue, this couldn't have come at a worse time for Boeing. The last thing they need is for this to be blamed on the manufacturer. Could they survive an additional crisis?
Conspiracy Theorists.... Over to you
Conspiracy Theorists.... Over to you
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Good idea. Could be that they have already been identified though. If that's the case, you are faced with the benefits of confirmation vs revealing your capabilities, and no doubt other strategic issues. Flyers to Fishermen, on the other hand, reveals nothing about the hand you hold.
There was a suggestion made regarding rewarding fishermen for finding pieces of debris.
How about going one further? Supposedly they have video of the two (or more?) passengers flying with the stolen passports. How about publishing their photos, and offering a reward to anyone who can identify them?
How about going one further? Supposedly they have video of the two (or more?) passengers flying with the stolen passports. How about publishing their photos, and offering a reward to anyone who can identify them?
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This is still Google translated so careful...
1400 local: Singapore's C130 is said to have sighted "a suspected lifeboat-like object" at N081605 E1025111, 140 km SW of Tho Chu island.
"Physical comfort is detected lifeboat gray striped red and blue (the color logo of Malaysia). "
[The report appears to suggest the object is emergency chute size. But I have never heard chutes are be painted in airline livery colors....]
Surface vessels on their way to investigate.
1400 local: Singapore's C130 is said to have sighted "a suspected lifeboat-like object" at N081605 E1025111, 140 km SW of Tho Chu island.
"Physical comfort is detected lifeboat gray striped red and blue (the color logo of Malaysia). "
[The report appears to suggest the object is emergency chute size. But I have never heard chutes are be painted in airline livery colors....]
Surface vessels on their way to investigate.
KELANTAN: ''A businessman in Ketereh claimed that he saw a bright white light, believed to be of an aircraft's, descending at high speed towards the South China Sea via Bachok airspace about 1.45am on the day flight MH370 went missing''
Sorry this does not add up either; a bright white light is not a burning aircraft; always bright red/orange unless magnesium? Perhaps a meteor but astronomers could verify this.
Sorry this does not add up either; a bright white light is not a burning aircraft; always bright red/orange unless magnesium? Perhaps a meteor but astronomers could verify this.
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If MH370 suffered an incident like Egyptair SU-GBP @ FL350, they had no chance. Might explain the quick descent and if the fire took out the power to the comms, no way they could send out a mayday even if they had time to.
EDIT - And they'll be heading towards land.
EDIT - And they'll be heading towards land.
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Ahhh, yes, the famous Glock radio-invisible plastic stealth gun. As a point of fact, a Glock contains a great deal of metal and is readily identifiable on x-rays as exaclty that; a handgun. And it has more than enough metal to activate a magnetometer.
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Terrorism ...
Why a terrorist will take the risk to use a stolen passport ..
It increases the risk to be arrested at the control post .....
Logic ?
Terrorism ...
Why a terrorist will take the risk to use a stolen passport ..
It increases the risk to be arrested at the control post .....
Logic ?
If there was terrorist involvement, who says they had to be travelling on stolen or false documents? Those could be coincidental (people smuggling or other) and the party involved boarded under their real name and document? Just a thought...
I'm convinced they are looking in the wrong place.
Regardless of "what" happened on board, if the flight continued for any length of time the search area becomes vast. If it came down at fuel exhaustion then the crash site could be nearly 3000 miles away - in any direction.
Regardless of "what" happened on board, if the flight continued for any length of time the search area becomes vast. If it came down at fuel exhaustion then the crash site could be nearly 3000 miles away - in any direction.
Sixty hours on my post #999 summarizing what we know (http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ml#post8362282) has not changed one bit...
I would not want to venture out to any speculation based on zero facts, but every passed hour without any wreckage sighting reduces the likelihood of some catastrophic event at/near point of last contact, and increases the chances of the aircraft having continued under some degree of control away from that point. Of course the latter if true eliminates several of proposed scenarios and raises a whole lot of uncomfortable other questions.
I'm sure a lot of heads are stuck together right now pouring over primary military radar and satellite surveillance data, but I'm sure they will not tell us what they see (if anything). However given the location of last contact, after only a little altitude loss even the primary signals would have been lost. Now if one plots the potential area outside the coverage of any primary radar station and within six hour's range, that is a sizable patch to comb through...
I would not want to venture out to any speculation based on zero facts, but every passed hour without any wreckage sighting reduces the likelihood of some catastrophic event at/near point of last contact, and increases the chances of the aircraft having continued under some degree of control away from that point. Of course the latter if true eliminates several of proposed scenarios and raises a whole lot of uncomfortable other questions.
I'm sure a lot of heads are stuck together right now pouring over primary military radar and satellite surveillance data, but I'm sure they will not tell us what they see (if anything). However given the location of last contact, after only a little altitude loss even the primary signals would have been lost. Now if one plots the potential area outside the coverage of any primary radar station and within six hour's range, that is a sizable patch to comb through...
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[The report appears to suggest the object is emergency chute size. But I have never heard chutes are be painted in airline livery colors....]
Could possibly be a slide that inflated on impact or by a survivor...
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12:40 -depart KLIA
1.22 -Fail to chk in with HCM
2:41 -Subang ATC 'lost contact'
Time-line is not right
Totally agree Codyblade.
This is something I commented on immediately the details were released.
Our system shows it at 35000 feet around 1710 GMT other trackers continued to see it until around 1720 by which time it was out at sea.
Official reports say it was lost around 1840.....but by that time it would have been 4-500 miles north of where they are searching.
The search area correlates with a time of around 1720-30 GMT.
Of course trackers only track the avionics , not the a/c .... so the a/c may well have continued having suffered a systems loss , but this is an area of intense military interest . DSP satellites watch this region closely for flashes and bursts of radiation relating to missile launches etc....and there
may well have been operational ocean bound radar platforms
It seems pretty obvious to me that military observers know much more than they are letting on.
1.22 -Fail to chk in with HCM
2:41 -Subang ATC 'lost contact'
Time-line is not right
Totally agree Codyblade.
This is something I commented on immediately the details were released.
Our system shows it at 35000 feet around 1710 GMT other trackers continued to see it until around 1720 by which time it was out at sea.
Official reports say it was lost around 1840.....but by that time it would have been 4-500 miles north of where they are searching.
The search area correlates with a time of around 1720-30 GMT.
Of course trackers only track the avionics , not the a/c .... so the a/c may well have continued having suffered a systems loss , but this is an area of intense military interest . DSP satellites watch this region closely for flashes and bursts of radiation relating to missile launches etc....and there
may well have been operational ocean bound radar platforms
It seems pretty obvious to me that military observers know much more than they are letting on.
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Deliberate act?
What if;
- Top of climb, cruise checks done, either pilot goes to the lav for a long overdue, midnight
pee.
- Said pilot disabled in fwd galley, flight deck access obtained by accomplice.
OR, access gained when coffee being brought up front with insufficient vigilance....
- Disableing of pilot(s).
From there on only a very basic knowledge/training should enable these perps to deactivate the two major systems that actively send signals to the ground with position and other data.
- Descend/climb 500' and set a heading of choice. Only method of detection would be
primary returns.
There could be numerous reasons for wanting to keep an aircraft flyable for several hours and the end game could be either a 9/11 type scenario, an opportunistic attempt at kidnapping, extortion, theft, industrial sabotage etc. However, while the initial few minutes of the takeover could be achieved with little or no aviation knowledge the guys now at the controls might be in over their heads and not able to get to their end game...
- Top of climb, cruise checks done, either pilot goes to the lav for a long overdue, midnight
pee.
- Said pilot disabled in fwd galley, flight deck access obtained by accomplice.
OR, access gained when coffee being brought up front with insufficient vigilance....
- Disableing of pilot(s).
From there on only a very basic knowledge/training should enable these perps to deactivate the two major systems that actively send signals to the ground with position and other data.
- Descend/climb 500' and set a heading of choice. Only method of detection would be
primary returns.
There could be numerous reasons for wanting to keep an aircraft flyable for several hours and the end game could be either a 9/11 type scenario, an opportunistic attempt at kidnapping, extortion, theft, industrial sabotage etc. However, while the initial few minutes of the takeover could be achieved with little or no aviation knowledge the guys now at the controls might be in over their heads and not able to get to their end game...
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Despite the traGedy, I am enjoying this thread and this mystery. The most entertaining posts are the ones writing novels about MH370, "below 500 ft they slowed to V1, landed and water seeped in through the cracks in the fuselage, then they sank".
The (apparent) lack of transponder data and comms means one of two things:
-MH 370 suffered a catastrophic failure taking out all electrics. Fast. What are the odds? Cockpit fire? No, not that fast. Not a decompression. Not a flight upset. A bomb, a missile or a midair.
-MH 370 was hijacked and systems switched off. By passengers or by the operating pilot(s). What happened after is anyones guess.
My money is on option #2.
The (apparent) lack of transponder data and comms means one of two things:
-MH 370 suffered a catastrophic failure taking out all electrics. Fast. What are the odds? Cockpit fire? No, not that fast. Not a decompression. Not a flight upset. A bomb, a missile or a midair.
-MH 370 was hijacked and systems switched off. By passengers or by the operating pilot(s). What happened after is anyones guess.
My money is on option #2.
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08:25 UK time.
BBC radio has just said that SAR helicopters have been scrambled as there has been a possible sighting of a yellow object.
Maybe a liferaft?
Not much other information given as yet.
08:36 update, Vietnam waters and helicopters. Object reported seen with-in last hour. BBC saying liferaft.
BBC radio has just said that SAR helicopters have been scrambled as there has been a possible sighting of a yellow object.
Maybe a liferaft?
Not much other information given as yet.
08:36 update, Vietnam waters and helicopters. Object reported seen with-in last hour. BBC saying liferaft.
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