Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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Last year when my credit card number was stolen, it was used to pay for two flights between western Europe and the Caucasus. I raised it with my credit card company, who were uninterested. I decided to the info to the airline myself, and the information they sent me included the fact that the passengers had apparent Middle Eastern names. No idea whether there was anything sinister involved, but it seemed wise to at least pass on the info to the airline in the apparent absence of any other channel. It did make me wonder whether surveillance & intelligence can possibly keep up, though.
"On a side note, I have twice had my credit card 'cloned' in that region, and both times the card was used to purchase flights."
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On three occasions I've filmed the detonation of 500ml of home made liquid terror in an airframe, these were demonstrations on unpressurized hulls which were not traveling at 500mph.
Was a "liquid ban" in force at the first security point on this flight?
On three occasions I've filmed the detonation of 500ml of home made liquid terror in an airframe, these were demonstrations on unpressurized hulls which were not traveling at 500mph.
Was a "liquid ban" in force at the first security point on this flight?
Basic question.
Do jetliners communicate much with each other during long flights or is the protocol to remain silent unless reporting unusual conditions?
It seems that MH370 had plenty of company in the area, so wondering if there is any insight to be gathered from communications with these other flights.
Do jetliners communicate much with each other during long flights or is the protocol to remain silent unless reporting unusual conditions?
It seems that MH370 had plenty of company in the area, so wondering if there is any insight to be gathered from communications with these other flights.
After the MH370 lost contact, there were other MAS aircraft in the air trying to contact MH370 on various frequencies..
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It is some time since I last flew through KLIA, but when I used a domestic MAS service there was screening before boarding, and, again before immigration. However, it doesn't preclude someone from another location coming in. I guess they'll be checking the tickets to the stolen passports.
It is some time since I last flew through KLIA, but when I used a domestic MAS service there was screening before boarding, and, again before immigration. However, it doesn't preclude someone from another location coming in. I guess they'll be checking the tickets to the stolen passports.
Being in that I was just there a week ago for a decent time period and have MY-side family as well (although none on that flight thankfully) I feel a deep sense of sadness for those affected. MAS is a safe and professional airline and I have serious doubts as to the crew contributing to any kind of catastrophic error.
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Definitely not what I've observed. It's a matter of if they detect it or not. You'll notice a stack of bottles at the post-scanner screening desk because these are bottles which have been "caught." That being said it doesn't seem to be strictly enforced or as high priority as some may think it would be.
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What would the point of the attack be, if there has been no stated motive, or further threats?
Nothing can be ruled out at this stage
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No liquid ban or not enforced as far as I am aware. Wife and I transited KL a few months back. I was surprised when she was able to board unchallenged with a 750ml bottle of water.
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llagonne66, the point of the photo of the Brazilian general is that they first searched along the track, and subsequently ran their grids to the right of the track.
Several days later, they finally ran a grid to the left of the track and the LNP, and they found the debris field. By that time, five days in, the currents had scattered the field, which led to two years of frustration, trying to backtrack on the supposed drift to determine the origin point.
Lesson learned, if you don't find it right away, be systematic in your grids, rather than looking where you think it might be.
Recovery of the boxes should be much easier in this instance. Apprehension about ever recovering AF447's recorders was because of the bottom, full of crevices, canyons, and cliffs.
Several days later, they finally ran a grid to the left of the track and the LNP, and they found the debris field. By that time, five days in, the currents had scattered the field, which led to two years of frustration, trying to backtrack on the supposed drift to determine the origin point.
Lesson learned, if you don't find it right away, be systematic in your grids, rather than looking where you think it might be.
Recovery of the boxes should be much easier in this instance. Apprehension about ever recovering AF447's recorders was because of the bottom, full of crevices, canyons, and cliffs.
Oil slicks seen near where plane vanished | News.com.au
They seem to show the "Oil Slicks" here, I'm no expert, but in my current part of the world we see slicks like this all the time, except they aren't slicks. I've been told they're stuff that washes off Coral, like an algae or spores or some such, we get them everywhere around here. Is it possible these "Oil slicks" are a red herring?
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Coral Spawn Slicks they are, just remembered that, not algae or spores! They look exactly like what is in that photo.
They seem to show the "Oil Slicks" here, I'm no expert, but in my current part of the world we see slicks like this all the time, except they aren't slicks. I've been told they're stuff that washes off Coral, like an algae or spores or some such, we get them everywhere around here. Is it possible these "Oil slicks" are a red herring?
*EDIT*
Coral Spawn Slicks they are, just remembered that, not algae or spores! They look exactly like what is in that photo.
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Were you in transit, or, did you pass through security with it? Water can be purchased in most airport transit lounges which are air side
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Can you post a link to that story. I don't see it on Al Jazeera. I had a look and could not find anything.
I saw it on the rolling text not on a news item.
My original posting was deleted I know not why.
Al Jazeera have just repeated on their midnight London time News
The location near the Tho Chu islands ( my corrected spelling) is where the Vietnamese Navy are searching.
In a live report from their correspondent in the region stated that there is a press conference scheduled in 45mins time so more information may be disclosed.
I saw it on the rolling text not on a news item.
My original posting was deleted I know not why.
Al Jazeera have just repeated on their midnight London time News
The location near the Tho Chu islands ( my corrected spelling) is where the Vietnamese Navy are searching.
In a live report from their correspondent in the region stated that there is a press conference scheduled in 45mins time so more information may be disclosed.
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New Straits Times is reporting that another Malaysian Airlines flight made contact with MH370 at "just after 1:30am";
Read more: Pilot: I established contact with plane - General - New Straits Times Pilot: I established contact with plane - General - New Straits Times
SEPANG: A BOEING 777 pilot, who was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, said he established contact with MH370 minutes after he was asked to do so by Vietnamese air traffic control.
The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft.
"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.
"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.
"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.
"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection," he told the New Sunday Times.
He said those on the same frequency at the time would have heard the exchange.
This, he said, would include vessels on the waters below.
He said he thought nothing of it, as the occurrence (of losing contact) was normal, until it was established that MH370 never landed.
"If the plane was in trouble, we would have heard the pilot making the Mayday distress call. But I am sure that, like me, no one else up there heard it.
The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft.
"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.
"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.
"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.
"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection," he told the New Sunday Times.
He said those on the same frequency at the time would have heard the exchange.
This, he said, would include vessels on the waters below.
He said he thought nothing of it, as the occurrence (of losing contact) was normal, until it was established that MH370 never landed.
"If the plane was in trouble, we would have heard the pilot making the Mayday distress call. But I am sure that, like me, no one else up there heard it.
Read more: Pilot: I established contact with plane - General - New Straits Times Pilot: I established contact with plane - General - New Straits Times
I think Al Jazeera was referencing this Vietnamese story:
Vietnam Navy says Malaysia Airlines plane crashes off Tho Chu Island | Tu?i Tr? news
The Admiral who was mentioned has since said that he had been misquoted and that his only reference had been the oil slick. So there is nothing factual. Even the oil slick may be a red herring, as it may not be from aviation fuel.
I'm astonished that a plane stuffed with all manner of floatable items can disappear so completely.
Vietnam Navy says Malaysia Airlines plane crashes off Tho Chu Island | Tu?i Tr? news
The Admiral who was mentioned has since said that he had been misquoted and that his only reference had been the oil slick. So there is nothing factual. Even the oil slick may be a red herring, as it may not be from aviation fuel.
I'm astonished that a plane stuffed with all manner of floatable items can disappear so completely.
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Carrying water on board: Serious water problems in KL at the moment, have been for some time, quite possible the rules have been relaxed whilst the shortages continue. Friends in KL say they are often without water for several hours a day, sometimes more than a day. Let us hope that the carriers of the stolen passports haven't exploited this loophole.
Coral Spawn or Oil Slick?: What those yellow slicks remind me of is the
mucky liquid, including some oil, that you see when a ship has washed it's tanks at sea. Often forbidden but that doesn't stop it happening!
Coral Spawn or Oil Slick?: What those yellow slicks remind me of is the
mucky liquid, including some oil, that you see when a ship has washed it's tanks at sea. Often forbidden but that doesn't stop it happening!
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Not only 2 passengers travelling on stolen passports, the Chinese redacting the name of one passenger from the Xinjiang province, one Russian listed on the passenger manifest denying he was on the flight, now the FBI are getting involved.
FBI to investigate disappearance of a Malaysian Airlines jet - latimes.com
No "evidence" of terrorism according to FBI officials, though "images they find can be used with the bureau's vast counter-terrorism technology to look for matches with known members of Al Qaeda or other terrorist organizations"
FBI to investigate disappearance of a Malaysian Airlines jet - latimes.com
No "evidence" of terrorism according to FBI officials, though "images they find can be used with the bureau's vast counter-terrorism technology to look for matches with known members of Al Qaeda or other terrorist organizations"
Not the first plane crash where passengers had fake passports
RiskandForecast.com | Risk Watch | At least 10 passengers of crashed Air India plane had fake passports
RiskandForecast.com | Risk Watch | At least 10 passengers of crashed Air India plane had fake passports
