Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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Fire suppression bottle.
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The appearance of the fire suppression bottle is superficially similar, but their are differences. The Maldive item is a mine, not a fire suppression bottle.
I'll bet that the dimensions are different as well. The mine has a circumferential weld that is not visible on the fire bottle. The angle of the "ports" (fuses) is wrong for a fire bottle. There appears to be the remains of an anchor cable attached to the mine.
"Maldives Police Services (MPS) reported that reports of such an object were filed with the department yesterday evening around 5.30 pm and that Maldives National Defense Force (MNDF) had taken in the object.
MNDF Spokesperson Major Hussain Ali said that the object is an explosive and the MNDF Northern Area team is active in the area."
MNDF Spokesperson Major Hussain Ali said that the object is an explosive and the MNDF Northern Area team is active in the area."
I'll bet that the dimensions are different as well. The mine has a circumferential weld that is not visible on the fire bottle. The angle of the "ports" (fuses) is wrong for a fire bottle. There appears to be the remains of an anchor cable attached to the mine.
I don't really buy this theory. A fire which on one hand is so severe and fast spreading that it incapacitates the pilots and compromises the structural integrity of the aircraft, yet on the other allows the aircraft to be a) maneuvered and b) continue flying, straight and level, for several hours seems quite implausible.
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The appearance of the fire suppression bottle is superficially similar, but their are differences. The Maldive item is a mine, not a fire suppression bottle.
I'll bet that the dimensions are different as well. The mine has a circumferential weld that is not visible on the fire bottle. The angle of the "ports" (fuses) is wrong for a fire bottle. There appears to be the remains of an anchor cable attached to the mine.
The appearance of the fire suppression bottle is superficially similar, but their are differences. The Maldive item is a mine, not a fire suppression bottle.
I'll bet that the dimensions are different as well. The mine has a circumferential weld that is not visible on the fire bottle. The angle of the "ports" (fuses) is wrong for a fire bottle. There appears to be the remains of an anchor cable attached to the mine.
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Garage man -How do you know the plane is not largely intact?The ocean is full of debris and none has yet been identified as mh370.Even on fuel starvation the fly by wire system on the 777 would not allow a stall and the plane could have impacted at low vertical speed and 200kts airspeed or lower assuming cmd engagement and no pilot input.Waves may have broken off bits but the fuselage could be largely intact?
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Those "spheres" are very different in construction.
The mark around the one that washed up is a welded join.
I think the one that washed up is more likely a mine than anything off an aircraft
Those "spheres" are very different in construction.
The mark around the one that washed up is a welded join.
I think the one that washed up is more likely a mine than anything off an aircraft
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The appearance of the fire suppression bottle is superficially similar, but their are differences. The Maldive item is a mine, not a fire suppression bottle.
Having flown a couple, I can testify to the large amount of DG paperwork required to fly them. the UN class 1.2 is due to the explosive squib which pierces the burst disk to initiate the release of agent.
http://quick.aero/sterling/blog/how-...on-explosives/
http://aircraftengineering.wordpress...ag/wheel-well/
Sizing wise, could be the poo fire bottle? No reason to suspect its from the 777 though, as its such a long way from the primary search site! If the serials match MH370, there are going to be big headaches as to where the jet went in.
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>Indeed, despite the revelations from the DFDR and CVR when they were recovered that turbulence was not involved, there were still posts claiming that the crash was due to severe turbulence.
But no one suggested that given the storm line turbulence was not present, or that flying attitude without instruments, or intermittent or conflicting instruments, at night without a horizon, would not be more difficult than smooth air. Turbulence probably contributed to confusion in an already confused situation. And my bet is that turbulence would be about the last thing pilots would mention. "Gee its turbulent."
But no one suggested that given the storm line turbulence was not present, or that flying attitude without instruments, or intermittent or conflicting instruments, at night without a horizon, would not be more difficult than smooth air. Turbulence probably contributed to confusion in an already confused situation. And my bet is that turbulence would be about the last thing pilots would mention. "Gee its turbulent."
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Where is Debris
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Uhhg... what fantasy land do you live in? Please give me one example of a large widebody jet *landing* on the ocean and remaining even close to intact? And if you mention Sully and the A320 on the Hudson... immediate disqualification - a relatively smooth and calm river is NOTHING like the Indian Ocean on ANY day of the year.
Uhhg... what fantasy land do you live in? Please give me one example of a large widebody jet *landing* on the ocean and remaining even close to intact? And if you mention Sully and the A320 on the Hudson... immediate disqualification - a relatively smooth and calm river is NOTHING like the Indian Ocean on ANY day of the year.
1. Big plane loaded with passengers, luggage and cargo
2. Thousands or more floatable plastic parts
If the aircraft did not stay intact (a highly logical assumption), atleast some debris should have been spotted by now. However, lack of any debris discovery anywhere (Aircraft,Satellites, Ships) argues that in this case the plane possibly did not break apart.
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Re broken aerial feeds it appears the AD re structural problems did not impact this a/c. Maybe it should have? I also have had a reply that the power source/ feeds for a lot of the comms. VHF HF TSPDR ACARS but not the SATCOM shared a common path. That's hard to believe but it would lead to extra workload for the crew just at the point when they were sorting out a major problem. Any initial calls would be dead & a crew trying to sort out a major emergency would not waste time on this extra minor problem. They would probably believe they had just left VHF range. It also appears the A/P uses a different source which could explain why the a/c made a turn etc.
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Yes, but two caveats: 1) Even narrowed down, the search area is the size of Texas and Oklahoma combined. 2) There still remains the possibility that they are NOT in fact searching in the right place. In fact the only piece of "stuff" even remotely resembling debris is the fire bottle/mine/breathing gear in the Maldives. I know - very tenuous link indeed, but it's the only thing to come out of the water so far.
Yes, but two caveats: 1) Even narrowed down, the search area is the size of Texas and Oklahoma combined. 2) There still remains the possibility that they are NOT in fact searching in the right place. In fact the only piece of "stuff" even remotely resembling debris is the fire bottle/mine/breathing gear in the Maldives. I know - very tenuous link indeed, but it's the only thing to come out of the water so far.
That was mostly cleared up about 200 pages ago. To sum up: absent a certain airframe mod, the bulletin would not apply to this hull. That's the info available to the public so far.
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@minimaman: The Indian Ocean isn't some smooth, unruffled surface where an airliner could skim the surface before coming to rest - even if it were being flown by a great pilot, rather than just relying on its natural stability as you're suggesting. An aircraft hitting water at 200kts is not going to remain intact, it will be smashed to pieces. Imagine what a truck would look like after hitting a motorway bridge at 60mph, then scale that up by a factor of 10 for the higher energy of the aircraft speed you're suggesting. The only large pieces remaining intact will be those torn off at the root by the impact, such as wings and tail surfaces.
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Where Is Debris?
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Bono
Yes, but two caveats: 1) Even narrowed down, the search area is the size of Texas and Oklahoma combined. 2) There still remains the possibility that they are NOT in fact searching in the right place. In fact the only piece of "stuff" even remotely resembling debris is the fire bottle/mine/breathing gear in the Maldives. I know - very tenuous link indeed, but it's the only thing to come out of the water so far.
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Yes, but two caveats: 1) Even narrowed down, the search area is the size of Texas and Oklahoma combined. 2) There still remains the possibility that they are NOT in fact searching in the right place. In fact the only piece of "stuff" even remotely resembling debris is the fire bottle/mine/breathing gear in the Maldives. I know - very tenuous link indeed, but it's the only thing to come out of the water so far.
2. Roaring forties will spread debris far and wide within days
3. Satellites looking across hundreds of miles will spot atleast some debris within a few days using Inmarsat data
4. Aircraft and ships will be notified and regular search and investigation will follow.
It sounds all logical but nothing, absolutely nothing has been spotted, so cross off #3. If they do not find anything in a week's time, start looking underwater.
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>Indeed, despite the revelations from the DFDR and CVR when they were recovered that turbulence was not involved, there were still posts claiming that the crash was due to severe turbulence.
But no one suggested that given the storm line turbulence was not present, or that flying attitude without instruments, or intermittent or conflicting instruments, at night without a horizon, would not be more difficult than smooth air. Turbulence probably contributed to confusion in an already confused situation. And my bet is that turbulence would be about the last thing pilots would mention. "Gee its turbulent."
But no one suggested that given the storm line turbulence was not present, or that flying attitude without instruments, or intermittent or conflicting instruments, at night without a horizon, would not be more difficult than smooth air. Turbulence probably contributed to confusion in an already confused situation. And my bet is that turbulence would be about the last thing pilots would mention. "Gee its turbulent."
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I'd believe it was a piece of discarded rocket debris before I'd believe it came from a 777. Not least because it's 5,000km away from Oz.
GarageYears. Uhhg... what fantasy land do you live in? Please give me one example of a large widebody jet *landing* on the ocean and remaining even close to intact? And if you mention Sully and the A320 on the Hudson... immediate disqualification - a relatively smooth and calm river is NOTHING like the Indian Ocean on ANY day of the year.
T7 crash in San Fran bounced around a fair bit, just check out the videos on YouTube there should be plenty to choose from. Remainder of Aircraft stayed in tact. Bits of flaps missing.
Anything is possible and actually having some waves to cushion the impact so less chance of a breakup.
Chances are some of the flaps and other control surfaces came off and these are what is likely the debris, if it is actually from MH370.
Please give one example of a wide body attempting to land and breaking up!
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An 'aviation expert' has stated that, within the console of the B777, there is a satellite 'phone.
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I know what you're saying but it does beg the question why the safety briefing for trans-ocean flights doesn't include a caveat something like, "there's no way we can land this thing safely in the ocean but for your comfort and convenience, .....". But let's not go there 