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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 26th Mar 2014, 10:19
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Did the acting aviation minister say when the satellite data showing the 122 objects was acquired (by the satellite not the Malaysians) ?
March 23rd More recent than others and within a 400 sq km area

Hope this is not another Wild goose chase considering how many objects are being sighted
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 10:31
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Whether one of the pilots has fire-axed the other or locked him out and depressurised the aircraft remains to be seen. I would be astonished if this is not a criminal act.
I'd bet the same thing was said over and over back during AF447.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 10:40
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We don't leave the Crew alone in the cockpit in our mob and I can assure you that those in my crew that need to know the codes, know the codes required.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 10:47
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Serious question here-----

They say they've spotted 100+ objects of interest in the Indian Ocean where they are searching from the Satellites pictures....

How old are these pictures exactly that the search Aircraft cannot seem to find the debris?????? How long is the time between taking the picture and getting the location coordinates to the search Aircraft???? Surely it could be very quick????
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 10:53
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They say they've spotted 100+ objects of interest in the Indian Ocean where they are searching from Satellites....

How old are these pictures exactly that the search Aircraft cannot seem to find the debris?????? How long is the time between taking the picture and getting the picture to the search Aircraft???? Surely it could be very quick????
Imagery can be sent to the P-3
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 10:57
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No. The satellites involved are not geo-stationary.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 10:59
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Here's the press briefing for today (26th March 2014)
MH370 PRESS BRIEFING BY HISHAMMUDDIN HUSSEIN,

MINISTER OF DEFENCE AND ACTING MINISTER OF TRANSPORT

26 MARCH 2014, 5:30PM

Introductory statement

The search for MH370 continues. Our efforts are now focused in the southern Indian Ocean, where a multi-national team, led by Australia, is combing the waters trying to find debris from the flight.

Our determination to find MH370 remains steadfast. As we have said all along, we will never give up trying to find the plane – in order to bring closure for the families, and to establish exactly what happened to MH370.
New satellite images

Australia, China and France have already released satellite images, showing objects that may be related to MH370.
Yesterday, on 25 March, the Malaysian Remote Sensing Agency (MRSA) received new satellite images from Airbus Defence and Space, which is based in France. The images were taken on 23 March.

MRSA analysed the images and - in one area of the ocean measuring some 400 square kilometres - were able to identify 122 potential objects.

Some objects were a metre in length; others were as much as 23 metres in length. Some of the objects appeared to be bright, possibly indicating solid materials.

The objects were located approximately 2,557 kilometres from Perth.

We will issue handouts relating to this new information, after this press conference.

MRSA’s findings were immediately forwarded to the Australian Rescue Co-ordination Centre in Perth yesterday.
It must be emphasized that we cannot tell whether the potential objects are from MH370. Nevertheless, this is another new lead that will help direct the search operation.
We have now had four separate satellite leads, from Australia, China and France, showing possible debris. It is now imperative that we link the debris to MH370. This will enable us to further reduce the search area, and locate more debris from the plane.

2. Operational update

Australia is leading the search effort in the southern Indian Ocean, based out of Perth. Malaysia continues to play a co-ordinating role. All countries involved are displaying unprecedented levels of co-operation; that has not changed.
Australia has divided the search area into two sectors, East and West.

Today the weather has improved, and twelve planes will travel to the search area – six in the East sector and six in the West.

In the East sector, searches will be conducted by:

one Australian P3 Orion, and three Australian civilian aircraft.

one Chinese Ilyushin IL-76.

one New Zealand P3 Orion.

In the West sector, searches will be conducted by:
one US P8 Poseidon.

one Korean P3 Orion.

one Japanese P3 Orion.

two Australian P3 Orions, and one civilian aircraft.

Two ships will also join the search operations.

Yesterday ‘HMAS Success’ was redeployed to the south of the search area due to bad weather. Today the ship has returned and will support the search operation in the West sector.

Meanwhile, the Chinese ship ‘Xue Long’ has today been deployed to the East sector.

A Japanese Coast Guard gulfstream aircraft left Subang this morning for Perth, to join the search operation.

As I mentioned yesterday, the search operations in the northern corridor, and in the northern part of the southern corridor, have been called off. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has sent diplomatic notes to all relevant countries to formally inform them of this change.

Before I continue, I would like to convey our appreciation to the Australian authorities, and in particular to Prime Minister Tony Abbot, for making such an extraordinary contribution to the search operation.

Chinese Special Envoy

Today, the Prime Minister met with His Excellency Zhang Yesui, the Chinese Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs and Special Envoy of the Government of China. I also met with His Excellency this afternoon.

During our conversation His Excellency conveyed China’s commitment to continue and intensify the search operation in any way possible, and to deploy any assets that may be required.

Malaysia has provided his His Excellency and his delegation with a full update on the latest information from Inmarsat.
His Excellency and his delegation also received a comprehensive briefing from the international technical team.

4. International Working Group

As I mentioned yesterday, based on the new information provided by Inmarsat, we have established an international working group. The agencies involved in this working group include: Inmarsat, AAIB, the Chinese CAAC and AAID, NTSB, FAA, Boeing and Rolls Royce, as well as the relevant Malaysian authorities.

The role of the working group is to help try and refine the Inmarsat data and, if possible, more accurately determine the final position of MH370.

5. Further information

I should like to note that the CEO of Malindo Airlines, Chandran Rama Murthy, has joined me on stage today, and will be able to answer any questions that you might have.
As I announced yesterday, MAS is now taking a lead in communicating with the families and is conducting their own press conferences. MAS will hold another press conference tomorrow.

Concluding remarks

New satellite images continue to provide clues in the search for MH370. And with improved weather conditions, aircraft are now able to investigate objects of interest.
I would like to thank once again our international partners for their continued support and assistance. The search for MH370, and the investigation into what happened on board the flight, is now a truly international effort.

ENDS


Source: Ministry of Transport Malaysia
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:05
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The delay in finding objects of interest from satellite imagery will no doubt be due in part to the need for many eyes to painstakingly assess each image,of which there must be thousands.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:11
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should like to note that the CEO of Malindo Airlines, Chandran Rama Murthy, has joined me on stage today, and will be able to answer any questions that you might have.
Any particular reason or significance of this?
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:15
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should like to note that the CEO of Malindo Airlines, Chandran Rama Murthy, has joined me on stage today, and will be able to answer any questions that you might have.
Originally Posted by Wannabe Flyer
Any particular reason or significance of this?
Malindo Airlines had an incident at Subang. He was at the press conference for addressing that.
Malindo Air confirms plane caught fire but landed safely in Subang
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:17
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Originally Posted by TWT View Post
The delay in finding objects of interest from satellite imagery will no doubt be due in part to the need for many eyes to painstakingly assess each image,of which there must be thousands.
Yes the Minister explained that the whole area is shrouded in cloud and the French had done a great job in homing in on the few gaps that cropped up from time to time and then spotted the 122 objects. The images are dated 23rd March, was that 23rd March at Airbus in France (and possibly 24th in the Indian Ocean) or 23rd March in the search area? Either way, as you imply, this all takes time.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:19
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That thing looks very much like a fire suppression bottle to me. Is anyone official on the way to have a look?
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:20
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Sure looks like a fire bottle, but doesn't look big enough to be from a 777, look at the size in relation to the foliage.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:22
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It doesn't matter if you know the code. Let's leave it at that.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:35
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Mobile Phone Survivability?

One thing which nobody seems to have mentioned so far is the possible use of onboard images and audio recorded on passenger and crew mobile phones in any investigation.

Many on here are agreed that the most useful portion of the CVR recordings will have been overwritten and this may or may not be recoverable. There is also concern that both DFDRs may have been disabled during whatever events occurred on MH370. It is not outside the realms of possibility that when the wreckage is finally located, there may be very little data available to investigators.

If, and it's a big if, passengers and crew were still conscious during some or all of the flight south, it is very likely that audio and video recordings exist on the 200+ mobile phones on board at the time.

In the old days Nokia phones were famous for their ability to survive immersion in water and work perfectly again after removing the battery and leaving them in a warm place for a few hours. I have seen a few telecoms engineers posting here in the last two weeks. Does anyone know the likely survivability of a modern 'smartphone' (or more relevantly, the data contained) inside a crashed aircraft in deep salt water?
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:45
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HH, the bottle could be for the APU.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:46
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In the press briefing diagram giving Lat/Long coordinates, why do they publish them with Long first then Lat ?
Google Earth and Google Maps do the same thing. Its a geospatial convention.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:46
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Ventus - your water spill theory sounds possible, with reservations.

A water spill like the QF2 747 water spill would have initially caused numerous problems. You can easily imagine the pilots rerouting to Langkawi. But why wouldn't they transmit a mayday? Maybe they were too busy flying and fault diagnosing? Seems unlikely (but not impossible - after all, the 747 water spill crew didn't declare a mayday either).

Anyway, after 30 minutes the plane battery runs out and they lose all communication and navigation and many other critical systems. At this point they cannot tell anyone what is happening and they would be flying blind in a crippled plane at night with only basic flight controls. At this point they are in real trouble.

It does seem possible that in this scenario (especially if its cloudy) they get disoriented or accidentally induce a turn, and head south, with occasional changes in altitude and direction, hoping to find a runway somewhere. Their situation would get worse and worse, and eventually they run out of fuel and get forced to ditch. But would they really end up getting THAT lost?
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:54
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@Mahatma Kote

Re. Use of a PC secure deletion tool being a "red flag": That would be an old policeman's attitude - "what do you have to hide". I'd suggest that in these days of online privacy concerns, more people than you might think use such tools.

Should they all be suspected of illicit activity? No.

The flight simulator is an odd sidelight in this sad episode. As usual, evidence from the aircraft will tell the tale.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 11:55
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I wonder if God forbid one of the SAR crafts ditches due to some failure how the heck will they be rescued ?
Whilst this would indeed be a dreadful event, it would actually be a most propitious time to ditch.

There are lots of other SAR aircraft on the route. In the search area thee are specialist ships.
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