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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

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Old 9th Mar 2014, 11:55
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Suggest people review China Airlines 611 accident. Taipei to Hong Kong about 10 years ago and TWA a bit earlier. Neither set of crew were able to make a mayday transmission. Both were under radar control.
Absolutely right.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 11:56
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The two tickets were issued by the Six Star Travel travel agency in Pattaya. It resides in the Central Festival building, the same as the Pattaya Hilton. Next to the Pattaya Police Station.

This does not mean the 2 suspects bought the ticket there, it is just the place of issue.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:00
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Recent Etihad toilet fires

Was wondering if the recent spate of toilet fires on the flight from OZ to Mideast were a testing ground for something else that didn't work then, but it did this time. Both Muslim carriers, good airlines, and was wondering if any false passports were on the Etihad flight as well?? I'm just thinking out aloud......

Don't expect much from Malaysian damage control in handling this terrible situation, lived there 28 years and know how well they handle these and other issues, hopeless !!!!!
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:02
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This is all very strange.

A bomb seems the most plausible explanation, but that would produce a massive debris field on the ocean.

As the debris fell, it would be a very strong return for primary radar, which seems to have been painting the a/c before the accident took place.

I'm sure there will be news soon.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:04
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Sorry, what I meant was that the video will be recorded (just like the VCR)...it will only be watched in case of an accident....but the recording will be at a location on earth.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:07
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Here is a #MH370 situation update from Flightradar24 because of the many questions we get.

The ADS-B transponder of an aircraft is transmitting data twice per second. FR24 saves data every 10-60 second depending on altitude. On cruising altitude data is normally saved once per 60 seconds. By analyzing all our databases and logs we have managed to recover about 2 signals per minute for the last 10 minutes.

The last location tracked by Flightradar24 is
Time UTC: 17:21:03
Lat: 6.97
Lon: 103.63
Alt: 35000
Speed: 471 knots
Heading: 40

Between 17:19 and 17:20 the aircraft was changing heading from 25 to 40 degrees, which is probably completely according to flight plan as MH370 on both 4 March and 8 March did the same at the same position. Last 2 signals are both showing that the aircraft is heading in direction 40 degrees.

Today there are reports in media that MH370 may have turned around. FR24 have not tracked this. This could have happened if the aircraft suddenly lost altitude as FR24 coverage in that area is limited to about 30000 feet.

FR24 have not tracked any emergency squawk alerts for flight MH370 before we lost coverage of the aircraft. Playback for flight MH370 is available on Flights database - Flightradar24
Well that's useful clarification, thank you.

Is it fair to conclude from the above then, that if your coverage was still functioning, that the aircraft descended from FL350 to below FL300 sufficiently quickly (less than 30 seconds) that there was no time for a further reading to be taken.

The only other possible explanation is that the transponder stopped functioning. Or was switched off.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:12
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A bomb seems the most plausible explanation, but that would produce a massive debris field on the ocean.
Yes, but small enough to make it hard to detect for visual searches. Large pieces could certainly be found quicker.

If the plane exploded in 35'000 ft then the mass of debris would spread in a very large area. And remember Af447. The pieces were found, if I recall right my memory, more than 100 miles off the position where they were thinking of what Af447 position must have been. The debris drifted with the current.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:13
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Why there was no data transmitted!

Hi all .
If it was terrorists ,here is what they did:
Entered the flight-deck by force or for a visit by invitation of the crew at top of climb pluss a few minutes ,when coffe i provided .
Then incapasitated the crew and did 3 things that takes 2 seconds:
Firehandel 1 and 2 ,release and pull. Battery off.!

This will shut down any and all transmissions from the aircraft in less then 10 secunds.
Can any of you active 777 captains tell me I am wrong, but only if You know why,!?
I shure hope this did not happened , but it explains the so called total loss of contact.
If this is the case we are posible in for a new wave of terrorist cells that are hard to stop.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:13
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What's clear is that the passport system, Worldwide, as currently configured, is not fit-for-purpose.

First off, the photographs used are way too small (40mm x 30mm) to make a decent identification when you add poor lighting, long queues and impatient passengers in departure/arrival facilities, what chance a considered comparison ? IMHO, Photographs should occupy a full page of the passport.

Secondly, the quality of photograph that's accepted nowadays is pants (Although UK Passport Agency have tightened up the rules regarding framing and positioning). Witness my own recent experience on renewal on my Uk passport this year. Going to a local photographers is far too expensive and inconvenient for most people, so you end-up using a photobooth. |If you can find one of these digital photobooths that is working, it seems that the quality of the photographs produced is appalling nowadays - worse than the predecessor chemical system. The only set I had done in a booth was so bad, I couldn't recognise myself, so I discarded them. - the photograph was taken without a flash and then "Digitally adjusted" in the machine, i.e. by upping the brightness and de-saturating colour, such that the light blue shirt I was wearing appeared as mid-grey. No joke, but I looked like a sino-British morticians apprentice just back from a 12 week embalming course - In other words, a real ham-fisted photoshop job. In the end, I did a selfie on a 10 year old Olympus 4 megapixel camera (Using the PA template) , did a bit of work with Photoshop Elements on colour saturation and background, printed-out at home on an Epson Photo printer on semi-gloss photo-paper ! Passport Agency accepted that and, of course, in mounting the photograph, managed to well and truly clip the top of the photograph, buggering all the effort I put in to comply with the requirements of the framing template.End of.

IMHO, there should be finger print(s) as well.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:13
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As reported by many irritated professionals, this thread is unusual on this site for the sheer amount of amateur and extraneous speculation clogging it. However ; there's a reason for that. I've been lurking on this site for many years, only contributing to areas open to aviation enthusiasts, and never wanting to get in the way, and have watched carefully the reactions of professionals to many previous threads. The disproportionate non-expert response here seems to be precisely because of a spectacularly unusual lack of technical information for those with expertise to process in this timeframe.

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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:16
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Originally Posted by Livesinafield View Post
privacy is an issue personally i wouldn't want a camera linked to a live feed to my ops watching my every move in the cockpit every time i was at work, also cabin cameras look at the privacy breach for 200+ passengers
Agree with you there, but yet they have CCTV cameras in the terminals, on public buses and trains now. The public is becoming more accustomed to their presence and I dare say, in the near future, we'll see them in aircraft passenger cabins as well. Perhaps this be a deterrent to potential hijackers as well. I'm sure EK would have found cabin CCTVs helpful in their recent toilet fire fiasco.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:20
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Read this article...two points

1) 2 people on an aircraft with stolen passports is rare (uncommon)
2) 5 ticketed passengers failed to board the flight and their luggage was removed (sounds like a lot of missed passengers) a diversion?
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:21
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Malay Military chief just said on News Asia that 20 fixed and rotary wing Aircraft as well as 40 Ships out looking now. From Malaysia and other countries.
Examining military Radar data now too.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:27
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Originally Posted by Lost in Saigon View Post
Really, at this point we know almost nothing other than the aircraft has gone missing while cruising at 35,000' without a distress signal of any kind.

Everything else is speculation.
Agreed 90%.
For those looking for 10% left facts, three other things we know yet are:
- that stolen and/or faked passeports (number no less than 2, perhaps more) were used to board the aircraft; so far, this is unconclusive.
- that the aircraft was involved in a wing clipping in 2012, subsenquently repaired and returned to flight status; so far, this is unconclusive.
- that the "most online" figure of PPRuNe was raised yesterday, from its precedent record dated june 1, 2009 (i.e. 447).
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:36
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AlphaZulaRomeo your comment

- that the aircraft was involved in a wing clipping in 2012, subsenquently repaired and returned to flight status; so far, this is unconclusive.
Are you sure?

08:12 GMT - Broken wing tip - Malaysia Airlines says the plane that disappeared suffered a broken wing tip in 2012 but was fully repaired and cleared to fly.

"The aircraft had a clipped wing tip. A portion, possibly a metre (1.1 yard) of the wing tip, was torn," Malaysia Airlines CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya told reporters.

"It was repaired by Boeing and cleared by Boeing and was approved by various authorities. It was safe to fly."
Malaysia Airlines investigation: Live Report
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:46
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There are many automatic ELTs on 777 even121.5, 243,406mhz. Where are they?
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:47
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Who's in charge of co-ordinating the search ?

Are the Vietnamese in charge ?There are Vietnamese and Malaysian assets out there now.Throw in a few Chinese vessels.Add a C-130 from Singapore and soon,a couple of P3C Orions from Oz.

Sounds a bit tricky.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:51
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Who's in charge of co-ordinating the search ?
Singapore probably.

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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:51
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Singapore has also deployed their submarine to assist in search.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:52
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Let me see.

Malaysian flagged carrier

Probably inside Malaysian Airspace

I'd say Malaysia would have the lead in the SAR op.
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