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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 22nd Mar 2014, 00:23
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1/ Alleged RT transcripts are bollocks, KL ATC and MH crews do not use such phrases EVER. In my experience working for MH and flying around Asia for the last 25 years is that MH crews have some of the best RT discipline I've heard.

2/ FL350 for this particular flight is not unusual, don't forget it always subject to ATC clearance regarding FL availability.

3/ reaching FL350 in 20 mins is reasonable for a 772ER at their TOW.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 00:26
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"If MH379 was operating in LNAV which seems to have been agreed"

Nowhere has it "been agreed", nor should it be. As I mentioned in an earlier post, don't get mesmerised by the FMC, a very useful bit of kit for flying a pre programmed route, doing a SID or making an arrival.

The aircraft is believed to have flown a random route, devoid of known waypoints, from the time it went back over Malaysia until 08.11. If the aircraft was under the control of a person then FLCH and HDG Select are the most likely modes used.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 00:31
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Big question remains
Was the aircraft tracked by the Jindalee radar system?
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 00:32
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Exactly my point. The crew must have been incapacitated.

Re phrase .. There is no way the crew would not have done something if they were not incapacitated in some way 5 hours.

MAS have something to hide here, why hide the existence of Lithium batteries in the first place. Everyone in aviation realizes these are a dangerous goods. Expect more angry scenes from the relatives in BJ and quite rightly so.

The relatives have been saying all along that MAS are not telling the truth, this just confirms their suspicions.

MAS should now produce a complete manifest of the cargo it was carrying.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 00:34
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I doubt it. If it was they would know where it is or at least a more detailed point where contact was lost with heading.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 00:40
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Whatever the outcome..one thing HAS to change....aircraft should be required to 'ping' location data (sat ) more frequently...money and tech are not the problem in this case....
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 00:53
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For anyone who is interested in what satellites are over the Indian Ocean take a look at this site LIVE REAL TIME SATELLITE TRACKING AND PREDICTIONS

I have came across five that are in the search area.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 00:57
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Cheap and trivial GPS tracking solution?

Satcom units commonly have GPS units built into them. Seems like sending frequent live GPS updates would be trivial and inexpensive.

SMS text messages on GSM networks are ridiculously low bandwidth, they sort of piggyback on blank data areas in network handshake transmissions, no? Inmarsat uses TDMA provisioning just like GSM.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 01:08
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Aircraft might never be found

I think the chances of finding anything in the southern ocean with the weather and currents in that part of the world are unlikely given the time that has passed. In the coming weeks items from the crash or bodies may find themselves washed ashore. A PM of any such bodies will reveal either smoke damage to lungs or possible other causes which will give clues to their demise and therefore what happened
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 01:12
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Re Autopilot.

G.F and SOPS. Autopilot will let speed reduce to top of amber band (min manouver) then maintain that speed until impact. However when the fuel runs out (dual engine failure) the Primary flight computers revert to direct mode and A/P disconnects.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 01:13
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Either that ATC transcript has lost something in translation or something definitely is wrong in the cockpit. On all exchanges between MH370 and ATC there are the readbacks by MH370 (which is as it should be) right until the last readback which is just a casual "All right, good night".

That last sentence simply doesn't match the previously professional responses. I know that ATC & pilot exchanges can be a bit casual at times but there's always (at least in the UK) a proper readback.

Any pilots still reading this thread wish to comment?
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 01:16
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Yes I will.

I'll say again all those supposed calls are bogus, either that or heavily stuffed up in translation back and forth.

No Pilot or controller in Malaysia or indeed anywhere in the civilized world speaks that way.

Utter tosh.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 01:23
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Unnoticeable turnback?

Has anyone raised the point that he may have tried to turn back unnoticed?

The turnback may have not been noticed at night and the lights of the Malaysian peninsula could have been mistaken for the the lights of Vietnam, being bright enough to be visible from space. He was at about halfway point between the two.

That would have given him a lttle more time - until possible Malaysian Air Force intercept.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 01:25
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If I understand correctly The Telegraph obtained the so called transcript in Mandarin and somebody translated it to English, so it is no wonder, that after two unofficial translations, it is not useful.

However, it is now out there, and must place pressure on the Malaysian authorities to correct the record and release the original transcript. But after the events of the last two weeks we should not expect that they will do so.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 01:30
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Interesting you bring up FLCH. If they were in FLCH, a struggle involving the throttles would explain the altitude variations reported by military radar (the infamous F450 which was certainly not achieved). Pilots or hijackers try to grab the throttles, reset power and FLCH tries hold sped on pitch. Similarly, when the fuel gives out, plane descends at whatever speed was in cruise until impact, probably around 250 knots.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 01:49
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Hiding information

I been following this thread for long time and as a professional pilot in Asia I find it very strange that we haven't been able to see:

1 how much fuel was uploaded, it's right there on the load sheet.
2 DG, there is a NOTOC, I understand that there might be other undeclared freight.
3 real radio communication transcripts.

By not publish this details the Malaysians make it look like the hiding things.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 01:57
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Originally Posted by Ka-life View Post
3 real radio communication transcripts.
here's part of them - sort of puts all the "goodnight" comments to bed!

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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 02:05
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Originally Posted by p.j.m View Post
Originally Posted by Ka-life View Post
3 real radio communication transcripts.
here's part of them - sort of puts all the "goodnight" comments to bed!

He said REAL transcripts....
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 02:40
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Look, the transcript is clearly identified as a Mandarin translation of an English transcript, that has then been translated BACK to English... what the heck do you expect, eh?

Obviously we should see the original now, given this hack-job is out there, but you can probably bet the times and the overall message intent is perfectly obvious from what we do have.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 02:54
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Having worked in China, if the transcript was leaked in Mandarin then translated into English, if you gave the original doc to two different translators, you would get two different interpretations of the narrative.
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