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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:28
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At 5 UTC Malaysian PM will adress to the world...according latest dev. by the Malaysia Gov and Secret Services they almost reach the conclusion of a Hijacking case:

Missing Malaysia Plane Was Hijacked
The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory. "It is conclusive."
Another twist or all the time they knew this and were negotiating with the hijackers..
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:28
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It took less than three minutes to destroy that aircraft.
Correct! therefore that accident has nothing to do with MH370 were aircraft was airborne for hours, are you incapable of understanding that? Yes, media so far is the only source of data, if you don't like what media writes don't read this thread. If you don't believe what CNN says about Pentagon's analysis - go directly to Pentagon.
Really!
Im not at all concerned what a overhyped media is saying, they are clutching at straws and a stack of mis-information, it sells papers and appeals to morons and high school kids.
I am an empiricist and am happy to accept what Malaysian officials say until they give me cause for concern.

What is it that many of you here simply cannot accept that this aircraft didnt exist minutes after last contact like so many dozens of others.

Statistically, reality and history is on my side.

This plane crashed shortly after last contact.

Any of you who actually fly through SE Asia like to suggest ATC wouldnt issue alarm about an unidentified primary contact flying through their airspace heading west over the Malay peninsula.

ATC didnt see it therefore it didnt happen!
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:30
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Missing Malaysia plane MH370 said to be traced to sea off Australia

KUALA LUMPUR - The last satellite transmission from a Malaysian airliner missing for a week has been traced to the Indian Ocean off Australia
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:35
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many of you here simply cannot accept that this aircraft didnt exist minutes after last contact like so many dozens of others.
Wow!
What else do you have in store for us? What piece of infinite wisdom??
Malaysian government doesn't believe it, US government doesn't believe it but you are free to post your nonsense on this forum - good luck.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:36
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Originally Posted by 1a sound asleep View Post
KUALA LUMPUR - The last satellite transmission from a Malaysian airliner missing for a week has been traced to the Indian Ocean off Australia
Interesting... (if true) The authorities must have know this for days! But surely the Jindalee oth radar would have picked it up if it headed towards Australia.



Flight 370 may have flown beyond its last known position about 1,000 miles west of Perth, and that location may not be an indication of where the plane ended up, said the person, quoted by Bloomberg
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:38
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It is getting very strange - first west-ward traces towards India, now near Australia? Ever occurred to someone that this is probably the first case of an airplane incident where sources of information are said to be from the White House. Prime ministers addressing the public, explanations followed by denials...
It is certainly unusual and the fact that from the US side even the WH is involved in the flow of information seems to indicate that this is more than a technical issue. Just my 2 c (until deleted)
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:42
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Officials confirm hijacking.

Fox News just announced jet was hijacked:

Investigators conclude missing jet hijacked, steered off course, official says | Fox News

Seems like another Ethiopian 691:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_961
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:45
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At this point it is almost equally interesting to find out what happened to MH370 and why it took more than a week to find out where it most likely is.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:47
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Wow!
What else do you have in store for us? What piece of infinite wisdom??
Malaysian government doesn't believe it, US government doesn't believe it but you are free to post your nonsense on this forum - good luck.
I wait with anticipation the Malaysian PM address, I suspect he will say nothing new other than they suspect possible hijacking as they are unable to locate the wreckage.
Other than that, to my knowledge the Malaysian govt is not claiming the aircraft flew west as yet. The US government says they are confident it did but not 100% sure. The Australians have not been told at all considering the aircraft would most likely if your silly senario had a scintilla of reality be in their jurisdiction for SAR efforts.
It seems to me a lot of misinformation generated particularly by a clueless media.
I guess we will find out in time.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:49
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Last sattelite traces of plane are from 1000km west of Perth
Not to nitpick but the report says miles not KM. If it was 1000 km it's conceivable that the plane could have landed in Western Australia but 1000 miles likely means it ended up in the ocean. Sounds like after his joyride up to FL450, 40000 ft/min descent roller coaster, and deceptive course changes, he decided to head for the place where the wreckage was least likely to be found, the South Indian Ocean.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:55
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I don't think the PM has been to any press conference so for him to attend there must be a preety good update.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:56
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If you are an empiricist, then you should be sitting there saying that, right now, we have no idea where the plane is because we have no FACTS to go on, other than it has disappeared.
I believe i am, end of contact, fireball observed, boom by witnesses.

Those are the only facts so far that Malaysia has announced.

Everything else is media hype, you guys have invested so much time in wild theories from everything to anoxic crew to alien abduction. Its ridiculous and sad. I feel sorry for the families who are being given false hope by this sorry episode of schoolboy tomfoolery.

How about we trust that the Malaysians are competent adults who know what they are doing.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:59
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Heaps of posts on twiiter reporting MH370 was hijacked.

Also that the Prime Minister will hold a press conference at 1PM local time (5:00UTC) i.e. in 1 minute...

I assume it will be on Live TV | Astro Awani which currently is showing a replay of yesterdays press conference.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 05:00
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How much fuel onboard?

OK am new to this forum, and yep, am annoyed by "speculation".

The "news" in my part of the planet is somewhat confusing.

"Facts" seem to be sparse.

can some one tell me me exactly how much fuel was loaded onto MH370 at KL. How far could it have flown?
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 05:01
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I find it odd that the First Officer is outed on Australian TV as having broken security protocol by inviting a couple of highschool girls on the flight deck and trying to hook-up with them while they were on holiday in Thailand. I can venture that was not an isolated event as well. The forum's attitude here was that its unfortunate the media portrayed him like that and he shouldn't be remembered that way. Also noting the captain on that flight will likely face disciplinary action (rightly so). Even if, and I'll admit it, they don't look like the terrorist types, it demonstrates a willy-nilly attitude towards his duties and responsibilities on the flight-deck as well as security.
I'm curious why the FO is being blamed for that incident? Isn't the Captain in charge of the aircraft? At worst, I would think that the FO would be guilty of going along with it - or perhaps for not reporting it afterwards.

Being a long time reader of PPRuNe has taught me about the Asian mindset of not questioning one's superiors - would that not come into play here?
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 05:03
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Hijacking the facts

Now that it's been officially declared to be unlawful interference, you'd have to take a contrarian view in questioning this paranoid conclusion - via the other possibilities.

Simply assuming that "somebody" was switching off comms equipment is to disregard a more simplistic explanation - such as an avionics bay/ main load centre explosion/fire that progressively disabled systems. A progressive failure that was epicentric to aircraft electrical (and thus also avionics) system integrity could conceivably knock out comms, transponders, ACARS etc and distract the pilots (getting on oxy, getting their oxy mask mikes to work, talking to the rear).

So after such an event, assuming the aircraft remained controllable, what would the pilots have left? Radio comms? Transponder? Flight instruments for control on a dark night? If there was a discernible horizon but despite cloud cover below to hide any land-mass, it may well have been controllable - however directionality might have been a problem (did they have an E2A wet compass?). So if they turned back towards KL in an essentially electrically inert airframe, it may have been a rough guess heading based on a timed turn and nothing by way of electronic navigation.

What might have happened in regard to height keeping? Was their altimeter disabled? Would that have led to a purported momentary excursion to 45,000 ft? If a 777 aircraft is partially electrically inert, what happens in respect of maintaining cabin altitude? Would the pilots be (or become) aware of any insidious depressurization? How long would their oxygen last? Would they be facing inevitable loss of consciousness if they'd remained at height - leading to the aircraft droning on westward (on autopilot or not). Could the pilots have become disabled leading to a Helios type scenario with a 3rd party (pax or rear-end crew) using the code to access the cockpit and trying to operate the aircraft?

Alternatively, although the cockpit door can prevent terrorist ingress, maybe the terrorist network became aware that they could access the avionics bay from the forward galley - and thus disable the aircraft from there via covertly disrupting comms and avionics (and cabin pressurization?) in an orderly sequence. One of their first tasks may have been to kill the cockpit to rear internal comms, thus leaving the pilots to wonder "What in hell is happening here?" -as various systems warnings cooked off).

After any such nasty terrorist disruptions in the avionics bay, the pilots would be left in a similar scenario to that described above, i.e. "flying by the seat of the pants on a dark and moonless night over-ocean". It would be challenging to say the least, even in daylight.

I doubt that all possibilities have thus far been credibly canvassed. The various data-points thus far established may be explicable via the technical intricacies encompassed within either of the above scenarios.

I'd like to hear any contrary views.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 05:03
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The posts about heading changes and who might be making them ignore the fact that the average, GPS equipped, mobile phone or tablet running an FMS app pre-loaded with a planned hijack route can be easily followed in HDG SEL mode by a child. No need for astro, FMS input training, flight plan changes, or other silly suggestions. It's more capable than the FMS in some older types and was often used as a backup, albeit unapproved.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 05:06
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Would they be heading to the Terres australes et antarctiques françaises

That's about all there is West of Perth. No airports and not much likelihood of landable beaches.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 05:14
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It seems to me a lot of misinformation generated particularly by a clueless media.
Most disinformation is coming in fact from you.
Because while others are pursuing various leads you already know what happened - that the aircraft plunged to the ocean within minutes.

How about we trust that the Malaysians are competent adults
Then make up your mind - if they are competent adults truly their government knows what it is saying. If they are competent adults your statements are nothing but a poppycock.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 05:15
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. Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, who is leadingthe investigation denied it.
"It is not conclusive. I'm heading the investigation and nobody is saying that. It's not true. We are looking at the possibility, we're looking at all possibilities. We're doing every profile of the passengers and crew but there is no firm evidence or leads so far," he told the Telegraph.
Apparently the investigation team do not believe the plane was hijacked.

I hope the Malaysian PM calms everybody down and asks the media to respect the families
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