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Old 17th Feb 2014, 08:20
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No less than 2 persons in the cockpit at any one time, perhaps?
That is a rule that a lot of companies have in place already, for various reasons (incapacitation etc.)

By the way: getting asylum in Switzerland is not going to be easy as he will have gained a Swiss criminal record after conviction for the hijacking...
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 08:24
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Since 'lessons will (have to) be learned', one wonders to what level of stupidity our political leaders will sink to this time round. No less than 2 persons in the cockpit at any one time, perhaps?
I think that the flight crew should not be allowed access to the toilet as this episode has clearly shown that it can lead to dangerous situations
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 08:25
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ExXB, asylum rules usually mean you have to seek asylum the first time you're somewhere safe. If he wanted to specifically reside in Switzerland, then he has to come straight into Switzerland from the country he's fleeing.

Although, he might have had more chance of getting-out-of-Ethiopia success if he'd had a quiet word with the Italian immigration desk after his scheduled arrival. Then again, I guess he wasn't thinking at his straightest.

A rather better outcome than Egyptair managed at least.
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 08:26
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According to this source he even got an escort by two Eurofighter Typhoons

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Extra fuel

"15.000 Kg more fuel for kids Captain?"
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Just imagine the carnage he could have wrought if he had a bottle of Evian and a yoghurt with him that security had missed.....
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 09:29
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I'm not sure how you address both the Jetblue captain being locked out of the cockpit and this incident. Two sides of the same coin.

On the other hand, both incidents ended well without injuries to other crew and pax.
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Update

Hijacking crisis at Geneva Airport over

Geneva police spokesperson, Eric Grandjean, has confirmed that the hijacker of flight 702 was the 30-year-old Ethiopian co-pilot of the plane.

The hijacking crisis at Geneva Airport is now over and Geneva police say the situation is under control.

Ethiopian Airline’s flight 702 en route from Addis Ababa to Rome sent out a distress signal of a hijacking, while flying over Sudan.

After circling over Geneva airport the plane landed at 6AM and negotiations with the hijacker began. The co-pilot locked the captain out of the cockpit when he went to the toilet and took control of the aircraft-requesting asylum in Switzerland. The co-pilot was unarmed and surrendered by climbing through a cockpit window.

Police confirm that the co-pilot has been arrested and that all 200 passengers and the crewmembers are safe.

Geneva Airport has now reopened.

Olivier Jornot, Attorney General of the Canton of Geneva, says that under Swiss law taking hostages can garner up to 20 years in prison.
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 09:57
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I don't get this......................he has a skill easily transferrable to another airline and so not likely to be stuck in Ethiopia for long if at all.

Sounds like there are some Psychiatric issues here.

Prefer he doing something like this than driving it into the ground.
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 10:00
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Could have gone the same way as EgyptAir 990

Remember there also the Co-pilot was also "PF" of a 67 and solo in the cockpit back in 1999. Same scenario, CP goes pottie and a change of flight plan and single pilot operation takes over. I think that ET, the real estate flown over, persons living in that flight path and the pax can consider themselves very, very lucky nothing worse came out of this. Of course like the "Swiss" cheese model, were there any clues lining up prior (during initial hiring, screenings, security checks, medicals, sim sessions, line training) leading up to this that should have been flagged?
Sadly as we've seen in the past, ET will deny any wrong doing in their business model, hiring system (ET 409 in 2010) and checking!
I look very forward to the CVR transcript and pax word-of-mouth on this event. No doubt a real drama unfolded in the forward galley and J-class! Obviously no hero's here, except the fact this FO still respect life and property as not to harm anyone directly. Mental trauma aside!
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 10:09
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Just a thought: can a fully trained and qualified pilot who is rostered for that very flight actually be a hijacker, I mean in a legal sense? He obvioulsly diverted from his original flightplan, broke a couple of SOPs and laws, but he didn't put a gun to anybody's head. So did he actually hijack the plane (as the media say) or would you call that something like "gross misconduct"?
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 10:10
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I am very curious if Capt. was an Ethiopean national or not ? That may add some more light to this lunacy.
 
Old 17th Feb 2014, 10:35
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Standby for mandatory portapotties on the flight deck.
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 10:42
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why was his squawk 7500?
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 10:43
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One question it raises: how many lives have been put at risk/lost because of the locked door, against how many have been saved by same? On a saner note, I always thought (on the 737 at least) that the locked door should have been put aft of the toilet. That, and a modification to the galley would mean that the crew would never have to leave the cockpit. Oh, and a three-man crew.
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 10:44
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We can only thank God that he didn't have any nail clippers or lip balm to help him in overcoming the Captain.

I mean, a First Officer armed with those dangerous items as well as two hands on the control yoke and thrust levers could have really done some damage.
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 10:45
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So the 'hijacker' squaked 7500 on himself? Seems odd....
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 11:08
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"infuriates" me...but very well *sigh*:


-fire the copilot
-initiate criminal charges against him
-as he SHOULD get a criminal record, no asylum granted!
-extradite him
>>in the process, strip him of his pilot license completely<<


...as a "duh" SOP: never less than 2 on the flight deck, period! One pilot needs a potty break, put a purser or flight attendant on the flight deck!!!


(unless of course he has obtained irrefutable proof that the antichrist is an Ethiopian official...:S)
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 11:17
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Adult nappies are the obvious solution
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 11:27
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I'm not sure what the legal definition of hijacking is, but here's a dictionary one:

illegally seize (an aircraft, ship, or vehicle) while in transit and force it to go to a different destination or use it for one's own purposes.
The key words here are "illegally" and "seize". I don't see how he "seized" control, as the captain left the FD voluntarily and left the FO at the controls. Secondly, there was nothing illegal in so doing, by either the captain or the FO. This only became an illegal act after the FO refused the captain re-entry to the flight deck, but I don't think it can feasibly constitute a hijacking (at least not in the conventional sense).
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