RAF Boys - Easy Life !
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OK All,
This post is just to let you know that us 'real' normal nigels have absolutely NOTHHING in common with the infamous NN.
It is people like him/her who refuse to live and let live that give the rest of us Nigels a bad press. Frankly every post I've read of his pisses me off - I find it very sad that he has got through the net and into this airline - or any airline for that matter.
If anyone should have a chip on their shoulder about the mil' it should be me - having been choppped from IOT in'85. But I don't. I have an inkling of what it's like on the other side of the fence and frankly, apart from the financial side of things during training, we have it relatively easy in civvie street.
NN please, for the rest of us that do get on with others, just shut the f^*k up.
ATB,
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This post is just to let you know that us 'real' normal nigels have absolutely NOTHHING in common with the infamous NN.
It is people like him/her who refuse to live and let live that give the rest of us Nigels a bad press. Frankly every post I've read of his pisses me off - I find it very sad that he has got through the net and into this airline - or any airline for that matter.
If anyone should have a chip on their shoulder about the mil' it should be me - having been choppped from IOT in'85. But I don't. I have an inkling of what it's like on the other side of the fence and frankly, apart from the financial side of things during training, we have it relatively easy in civvie street.
NN please, for the rest of us that do get on with others, just shut the f^*k up.
ATB,
Underdog
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Hey Boys!
Tell you what, how about an objective test--why not go back and review all the fatal accidents/crashes over the past 30 years in the commercial airlines, then see who the PIC was--military or civvie. My bet is that at least 75% were military--killed more folks than cancer.
Tell you what, how about an objective test--why not go back and review all the fatal accidents/crashes over the past 30 years in the commercial airlines, then see who the PIC was--military or civvie. My bet is that at least 75% were military--killed more folks than cancer.
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Hey Boys!
Tell you what, how about an objective test--why not go back and review all the fatal accidents/crashes over the past 30 years in the commercial airlines, then see who the PIC was--military or civvie. My bet is that at least 75% were military--killed more folks than cancer.
Tell you what, how about an objective test--why not go back and review all the fatal accidents/crashes over the past 30 years in the commercial airlines, then see who the PIC was--military or civvie. My bet is that at least 75% were military--killed more folks than cancer.
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Reptile....
Interesting question, although it does sound as though your suggestion was made without any basis in fact.
Why not check yourself?
1. Find the % of accidents caused when PIC was military trained.
2. Find the % of ex-military pilots employed as civil pilots by those companies at the time.
3. Establish whether they were more or less prone to accidents than their civil-trained colleagues.
4. See if the percentages change over the decades.
If so, make reasoned suggestions as to why the changes have , or have not, taken place.
Given that you state that you are from California, you may consider concentrating on the US or widen the scope of your study to include other ICAO states.
Should you be able to gather such data it would be of great interest.
I suspect that you will not do so.
Interesting question, although it does sound as though your suggestion was made without any basis in fact.
Why not check yourself?
1. Find the % of accidents caused when PIC was military trained.
2. Find the % of ex-military pilots employed as civil pilots by those companies at the time.
3. Establish whether they were more or less prone to accidents than their civil-trained colleagues.
4. See if the percentages change over the decades.
If so, make reasoned suggestions as to why the changes have , or have not, taken place.
Given that you state that you are from California, you may consider concentrating on the US or widen the scope of your study to include other ICAO states.
Should you be able to gather such data it would be of great interest.
I suspect that you will not do so.
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Ladies, and gentleman aviator;
you are indeed incorrect. I have already checked with my airline. And the winner is:
at AA in the U.S. since 1935 when the current airline came into being of all the accidents/incidents where loss of life occured, 100% were ex-military pilots as PIC's. Lets look again at that percentage--100, and that trend has held true through today. While I would dearly love to know the percentages at other airlines, I am not privy to the inside dope. Why don't you look it up, if as I suspect you have a need to protect/defend other ex-mil brothers. Do not take my word for these numbers, ask someone else, like AA mgt. Remember, do not believe it until it is officially denied.
you are indeed incorrect. I have already checked with my airline. And the winner is:
at AA in the U.S. since 1935 when the current airline came into being of all the accidents/incidents where loss of life occured, 100% were ex-military pilots as PIC's. Lets look again at that percentage--100, and that trend has held true through today. While I would dearly love to know the percentages at other airlines, I am not privy to the inside dope. Why don't you look it up, if as I suspect you have a need to protect/defend other ex-mil brothers. Do not take my word for these numbers, ask someone else, like AA mgt. Remember, do not believe it until it is officially denied.
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An addition to my last post, I forgot to mention that of the 100 percent of ex-mil pilots that had managed to deliver their passengers to their final destination, fully 50% were previously Marine pilots, who are trained by the Navy, so lets hear it for the Navy boys out there.
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I have not had the patience or the time to read every posting on this thread in detail but I think I have got the flavour of what is being said!
My experience with all pilots (whether civil or military) is that it all very much depends on the individual. A minority of both groups I would not trust with my Flymo!
Hey guys, I thought we were in this together?
I thought we wanted a win/win situation on the flight deck - it may be an ex military pilot in the LHS but whose in the RHS?
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My experience with all pilots (whether civil or military) is that it all very much depends on the individual. A minority of both groups I would not trust with my Flymo!
Hey guys, I thought we were in this together?
I thought we wanted a win/win situation on the flight deck - it may be an ex military pilot in the LHS but whose in the RHS?
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Whoa!
I thought that our friends from the armed forces did not need the assistance of the scantily-trained and spottily-vetted great unwashed! What is this? Are the F.O.'s now to blame? Are we to say that if there is an ex-mil in the LHS that the responsibility will now fall to whoever is in the RHS? Where are all the ex-mil's who were burning up this string before? I can't hear you.
I thought that our friends from the armed forces did not need the assistance of the scantily-trained and spottily-vetted great unwashed! What is this? Are the F.O.'s now to blame? Are we to say that if there is an ex-mil in the LHS that the responsibility will now fall to whoever is in the RHS? Where are all the ex-mil's who were burning up this string before? I can't hear you.
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Hey, FFB, it could be NN in the LHS - no, surely not! Hell yes! Worrying thought, aint it? Well, with any luck there will be an ex-mil in the RHS to save the day.
Has anyone noticed how the frequency of its posts go with the lunar cycle?!!!
Could IT be the Nigel that was so stupid that the others noticed?
Has anyone noticed how the frequency of its posts go with the lunar cycle?!!!
Could IT be the Nigel that was so stupid that the others noticed?
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No,
ex RAF boys do not get the easy life, I had to do everything (written exams and flying tests)as though I'd walked in off the street to get my ATPL even though I was a 'seasoned' transport pilot in the RAF. We all know that the CAA do what they do just to screw as much cash as they possibly can out of those who choose to fly as commercial pilots and what they do bears no resemblance to fairness to the individual or commonsense in general. Life ain't fair, especially in this game, and we're stuck with it.
ex RAF boys do not get the easy life, I had to do everything (written exams and flying tests)as though I'd walked in off the street to get my ATPL even though I was a 'seasoned' transport pilot in the RAF. We all know that the CAA do what they do just to screw as much cash as they possibly can out of those who choose to fly as commercial pilots and what they do bears no resemblance to fairness to the individual or commonsense in general. Life ain't fair, especially in this game, and we're stuck with it.
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nigel-
I think I've sussed what may be the root of all your problems: simply e-mail me with your address and I can send you a pair of white gloves from clothing stores. That way, you can wear them whilst flying, thereby getting rid of your inferiority complex.
Or if you're too embarassed to contact me, you could go to a company called Silvermans and buy your own.
Just trying to help.
I think I've sussed what may be the root of all your problems: simply e-mail me with your address and I can send you a pair of white gloves from clothing stores. That way, you can wear them whilst flying, thereby getting rid of your inferiority complex.
Or if you're too embarassed to contact me, you could go to a company called Silvermans and buy your own.
Just trying to help.
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Hey Boys!
What's the matter? I have not heard anyone dispute my earlier posts, what--just going to accept that they are true? Or is this something that you have known all along, and were afraid to address lest the flying public find out and raise serious objections? Always nice to heckle from a position of strength. Awaiting reply's.
What's the matter? I have not heard anyone dispute my earlier posts, what--just going to accept that they are true? Or is this something that you have known all along, and were afraid to address lest the flying public find out and raise serious objections? Always nice to heckle from a position of strength. Awaiting reply's.
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Just out interest, Reptile, what was the overall proportion of ex-mil pilots flying for AA over the period you're talking about? I can't help thinking it would've been quite high, in which case your argument would be about as meaningful as saying "100% of fatal military accidents had a military PIC, therefore mil pilots are unsafe".
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Amazing.
No denials, just a tweaking of the information. Not "this cannot be!" or "that is patently untrue!", merely--"how many of us were there, so we can accurately gauge the blame that is rightly ours. For your information, the %'s ranged from 65-90%, with the %'s on the low side in the recent past. Still doesn't assuage the pain does it?
No denials, just a tweaking of the information. Not "this cannot be!" or "that is patently untrue!", merely--"how many of us were there, so we can accurately gauge the blame that is rightly ours. For your information, the %'s ranged from 65-90%, with the %'s on the low side in the recent past. Still doesn't assuage the pain does it?
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Amazing.
No denials, just a tweaking of the information. Not "this cannot be!" or "that is patently untrue!", merely--"how many of us were there, so we can accurately gauge the blame that is rightly ours. For your information, the %'s ranged from 65-90%, with the %'s on the low side in the recent past. Still doesn't assuage the pain does it? If mil pilots were as superior as they/you believe then it should be that the %'s would be skewed the other way, with civvies resp. for far more accidents than their numbers would dictate, but that is not the case, is it? Don't believe me, do your own research, I dare you. All you have to do is do a newspaper search over the last 20 years, looking for fatal accidents tied to your own airline, then look up the accident report with an eye for the reported background of the crew. See if you have the stomach for it boys.
No denials, just a tweaking of the information. Not "this cannot be!" or "that is patently untrue!", merely--"how many of us were there, so we can accurately gauge the blame that is rightly ours. For your information, the %'s ranged from 65-90%, with the %'s on the low side in the recent past. Still doesn't assuage the pain does it? If mil pilots were as superior as they/you believe then it should be that the %'s would be skewed the other way, with civvies resp. for far more accidents than their numbers would dictate, but that is not the case, is it? Don't believe me, do your own research, I dare you. All you have to do is do a newspaper search over the last 20 years, looking for fatal accidents tied to your own airline, then look up the accident report with an eye for the reported background of the crew. See if you have the stomach for it boys.
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Partyreptile, I assume that you are talking about American military pilots in which case you are probably quite correct(although I haven't checked). Anyway, this is the wrong thread for this somewhat pointless argument of yours so I suggest you give it up (and by the way, learn to spell).