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Near miss Delta landing in EZE

Old 21st Jan 2014, 21:12
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Near miss Delta landing in EZE

Local Argentine newspaper reports that flight DL101 of Delta damaged a wing (see picture) while trying to land in bad storm in EZE, and ended up lifting again and going to Montevideo.

Un avión de Delta casi se estrella al intentar aterrizar en Ezeiza en medio de la tormenta - lanacion.com *
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Old 21st Jan 2014, 21:33
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So just how do you damage a slat, mid way along the wing during landing? BIG bird?
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Old 22nd Jan 2014, 00:39
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Strange failure. Looks like something failed at the inboard edge of the slat while it was deployed. Probably ripped off when accelerating on the missed approach.

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Old 22nd Jan 2014, 00:41
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The weather conditions were not ideal, but I agree with you ... I suspect it was a big ball of ice .. Not a big bird... They seek shelter under that weather...
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Old 22nd Jan 2014, 01:30
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Internal hinge leg failure

Perhaps one of the hinge support legs jammed and pushed right through the slat upon retraction.
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Old 22nd Jan 2014, 04:33
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Perhaps jack1111, but you guys going to EZE during this week be alert with the weather conditions...
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Old 22nd Jan 2014, 07:11
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An article in today's La Nacion suggests the damage was noticed by passengers before the landing was aborted and that cabin crew informed the flight crew.

"Se vieron chispazos en el ala", dijo uno de los pasajeros del avión de Delta - lanacion.com
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Old 22nd Jan 2014, 07:48
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If the Pax/ witness report can be trusted he says :
se vieron chispazos y que parte de las chapas del ala cedían por la presión.
which means he saw sparks (when flaps were lowered) and a piece of the slats breaking due to the pressure.
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Old 22nd Jan 2014, 08:05
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It's possible that the storm and the slat damage are not related. We once found similar slat damage on arrival that must have occurred at the previous station. I seem to remember that the cause was put down to maintenance testing the slats while the fuel truck was under the wing.
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Old 22nd Jan 2014, 11:11
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Yes, that is more likely. I would imagine that a skin punctured at the previous station would cause sparks as it gave way and flapped against the hinge under pressure once deployed.
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Old 22nd Jan 2014, 16:24
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Two tidbits from AV Herald:
  • "Passengers reported seeing sparks, possibly lightning, and a part flying off the right hand wing."
  • By Jennifer on Wednesday, Jan 22nd 2014 15:32Z
    My dad was on this flight and he saw the part of the wing fly off. There were no injuries. The pilots said it was caused by extreme turbulence and excessive wind shear which was pushing the plane upward thank goodness. This also increased the speed and the pilots had no way of slowing it down. Due to the speed the wing flap, which was sticking up in preparation for landing, was detached. They were able to make it to Uruguay without a problem and they were scheduled to fly back into Buenos Aries once another plane can fly there and pick them up. Delta does not normally fly into Uruguay
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Old 23rd Jan 2014, 12:55
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Wind Shear with increasing airspeed created flaps overspeed is the word in ATL..
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Old 24th Jan 2014, 00:11
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Wind Shear with increasing airspeed created flaps overspeed is the word in ATL..
Plausible.
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Old 24th Jan 2014, 00:20
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The 21.3 report also blames 'severe turbulence" .

Personally I wouldn't rule out some sort of preexisting damage.
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Old 24th Jan 2014, 07:41
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That must have been some overspeed to peel the slat! I agree that it's plausible there was an existing weakness to allow it to fail in such a way.
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Old 24th Jan 2014, 10:24
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If none of the other slats are damaged, then it supports a pre-existing or impact damage scenario. It would be a relatively unusual place for a lightning strike, but that could be another factor in the localised nature of the damage.
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Old 25th Jan 2014, 11:36
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I wonder if the presence of the retrofitted winglet could have changed the loadings in that area?
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 14:16
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What about the other wing, daikilo?
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 16:10
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Near miss Delta landing in EZE
And what did they nearly miss?

Reminds me of George Carlin "Traveling on the Airlines"
"Near miss, near miss? It's a near hit!"
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 09:01
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Possibly ice underneath/inside the slat that jammed it up?
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