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Crash in Madinah

Old 5th Jan 2014, 20:05
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My guess would be, that it could be the brake rod issue again.
That is 3 not 2 gear up or partially up on the B767 and that is in over 30 years of operation.
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Old 5th Jan 2014, 21:05
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Medina was down to single runway operations due to construction. Now it is down to zero runway operations. Any ideas on how long it takes to clear a gear up 767?

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Old 5th Jan 2014, 22:02
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Crew did a good job.
But why no diversion to Jed ? 2 runways and more personnel to deal with the cleanup.
I think GCAC will have lots to look at here with Thai operation.(Thai DCA too).
Guess they will be busy as bcc return to SV also on 7th, many maintenance and operational issues between both Thai operators
Ox has had crm issues well documented in the past
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Old 6th Jan 2014, 03:36
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ORIENT THAI FLIGHT SAFETY FOUNDATION ?

2007: MD82 crashed with loss of over 80 lives

2013(?): 737-300 near crash at Phuket then diverted to Surat Thani on one engine etc, then serious landing incident.

2014 767-300 serious gear-up landing at MAD.32 INJURED.

There have been many complaints against this airline and its CEO Udom, but Thai DCA look the other way.......WTF?
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Old 6th Jan 2014, 06:12
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All it takes is the "thick brown envelope" to make these things go away!
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Old 7th Jan 2014, 00:17
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msbbarratt, re your reply to machinbird, I suspect you're right; the forward port slides would have been very near vertical. It would be great to think that the FD crew would have had the time and foresight to get it across to cabin crew that evacuating via the port slides should be the last alternative. But they'd have to have been activated, wouldn't they, just in case of fire on the starboard side?

So much 20/20 hindsight...
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Old 7th Jan 2014, 02:53
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Thick brown envelope is right in the mark. Orient Thai have a record of falsifying tech log book entries. Only recently Saudia started spot quality inspections to find multiple problems. The Thai DCA is a rubber stamp and everyone knows it. Only politics keeps Thai airliners from downgrades.
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Old 7th Jan 2014, 03:26
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The Thai DCA is a rubber stamp and everyone knows it. Only politics keeps Thai airliners from downgrades.
Are you sure to saying this?
Do you think that all Thai airliners (THAI, Bangkok airways, Thai air asia, Nok air, Orient Thai, Thai Lion air, etc.) should be downgraded?
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Old 7th Jan 2014, 05:18
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A large part of grading safety is the quality of the Civil aviation. Without proper oversight Airlines may take substandard safety practices. History has shown that That is almost always the case.
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Old 8th Jan 2014, 05:37
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Are you sure to saying this?
Do you think that all Thai airliners (THAI, Bangkok airways, Thai air asia, Nok air, Orient Thai, Thai Lion air, etc.) should be downgraded?

If not downgraded, more oversight!

Two years ago, I had an opportunity to fly with some of the retired Thai Airlines Captains, Check Airman, line instructors that Orient Thai hired. Most of them were pathetic. Terrible flying skills, terrible CRM, won't use the QRH, totally non-standard, just go, go, go. Out of ten that came over, there was 1 FO and 1 CPT that were good.

The Thai Captains (retired from 744 at Thai Airways) thought they were going to come right in as instructors, check airman etc. because they were in those positions at Thai Airways. After their initial simulator sessions the lead instructor at OT (not western) would NOT let any of them in any type of instructor position. Said they were terrible. These Captains retired from Thai Airlines, the national carrier. You would think they would be the best.

It was not one bad apple, 80% of them were substandard. I can only assume their operational skills at Orient Thai carried over from Thai Airways because they didn't develop those bad habits in 2 sim sessions at Orient Thai.

Well I got a bunch of "tell me about a time when..." stories for the job interviews. I did enjoy my time there!

They are proof that Boeing and Airbus make great airplanes!
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Old 8th Jan 2014, 06:57
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Originally Posted by broadreach View Post
I suspect you're right; the forward port slides would have been very near vertical.
Look at the photo again - they were nowhere close to vertical.

Are you seriously suggesting that the certification authorities don't take any account of the one-MLG-collapsed configuration when approving the design and installation of slides?
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Old 8th Jan 2014, 08:24
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CG shifted aft?

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is it possible the CG shifted aft - AFTER the pax evac;d ? and i note also ground staff were offloading bags too in these pics again removing fwd weight?

would she have been on her nose gear with more weight up front?

also thanks to the poster who mentioned this 767 was not ex BA (rolls royce engines...)
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Old 9th Jan 2014, 19:45
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Thai DCA

In Thailand DCA should stand for Department of Corrupt Activities.
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Old 15th Jan 2014, 15:55
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Madinah airport to get extra runway

Prince Mohammad bin Abdulaziz International Airport in Madinah will have a second expanded runway by the end of June, according to an official from the Kingdom’s aviation authority.
Khalid Al-Khaibari, spokesman of the General Authority of Civil Aviation (GACA), said the new runway would help ease air traffic congestion at the airport.
He told Arab News that Madinah airport has two runways. One is 3,050 meters, and the other is 3,850 meters long and 45 meters wide.
Madinah airport officials used the second one from July 20 to mid-November for Ramadan and Haj. It was closed again to allow workers to lengthen it to 4,250 meters and widen it to 60 meters.
Once completed, it would accommodate large planes such as the Airbus 380 and have an updated automated landing system, said Al-Khaibari.
The decision to operate the runway came after a Saudi Arabian Airlines plane traveling from Iran crash-landed at the airport on Jan. 5, injuring 29 passengers. The incident forced GACA to close the airport for 36 hours.
He said the accident resulted in heavy financial losses because the airport canceled 120 domestic and international flights. He said Saudi Arabian Airlines has called for additional runways to avoid future
problems.
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Old 25th Jul 2014, 14:05
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www.InvestigateUdom.com: That's the public data on massive corruption and incompetence and attempted coverups that is the Thai DCA and Orient Thai, One-Two-Go and Udom.

Included in the material is the actual falsified work hours, falsified sim checks, the NTSB and Thai crash reports for OG-269 - obtained via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request - and the British Coroner's Inquest findings.
"Flagrant disregard for passenger safety"
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 20:21
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Heard that Orient Thai is given the boot by SV and replaced by AAI...
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