1.3 tonne of Cocaine found onboard an Air France aircraft in Paris...
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Would this extra 1.3 tonnes have been notified to the flight deck?
In a 100+ tonne aircraft it would hardly register IMHO. 1.3% or less of AUW?
Read "Trail of the Octopus" and think back to Lockerbie and ponder the implications, if you can sleep afterwards?
Read "Trail of the Octopus" and think back to Lockerbie and ponder the implications, if you can sleep afterwards?
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As has already been alluded to 1.3t is not a quantity often used on first attempts.
Looks like the Venezuelan economy has taken a small hit in its GDP.
The question is who in Paris would have showed up at the baggage claim? We will never know.
Looks like the Venezuelan economy has taken a small hit in its GDP.
The question is who in Paris would have showed up at the baggage claim? We will never know.
Baggage handlers in South America will look the other way if it keeps their families safe
But I do think the shippers have been overindulging in their own product if they thought that shipping a tonne+ at a time was going to work. Now maybe it's a diversion from a 50 tonne shipment in a mother ship docking????
But I do think the shippers have been overindulging in their own product if they thought that shipping a tonne+ at a time was going to work. Now maybe it's a diversion from a 50 tonne shipment in a mother ship docking????
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And what the hell were they thinking doing this on the 11th of September?
Who ever said there's no money in freight?
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Yes, three Venezuelan National Guardsmen have been arrested. That is, on ther surface of it, an adequate enough explanation for how the drugs got on board.
If you're a handler in a place like Caracas, a Guardsman telling you to wander off for a fag break, "Oh, and how are the wife and kids?....," is an offer you can't refuse.
According to the wires, thrree Italians and three Brits have been arrested in Paris. This is the biggest ever seizure of Charlie in France so I find it hard to believe no French nationals were involved!
If you're a handler in a place like Caracas, a Guardsman telling you to wander off for a fag break, "Oh, and how are the wife and kids?....," is an offer you can't refuse.
According to the wires, thrree Italians and three Brits have been arrested in Paris. This is the biggest ever seizure of Charlie in France so I find it hard to believe no French nationals were involved!
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My guess is that it isn't the first time
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overweight bags
A net haul of 1300kgs in 31 bags! For each case, that makes about 42kg of coke and say + 3kg for the case, a whopping 45kg per suitcase.
As the max allowed by AF is 32kg per bag, surely someone should have thought this ‘odd’ for 30+ bags to be so much OTT.
Incidentally 1.3 tons payload is nothing to an A330.
As the max allowed by AF is 32kg per bag, surely someone should have thought this ‘odd’ for 30+ bags to be so much OTT.
Incidentally 1.3 tons payload is nothing to an A330.
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Lost luggage allowance :)
Internet research -I'm so naive - tells me that 130mg would be a very good dose, so 1.3T is about 10 Million doses, so we can assume that there must be a couple of hundred of these shipments made to France every year.
From which this seizure becomes a loss rate of less than 1/2 %; add a few more and you will be at the normal loss-rate for checked airline bags
On the other hand, the value of the shipment is sort of in the same ballpark as the value of the ship.
From which this seizure becomes a loss rate of less than 1/2 %; add a few more and you will be at the normal loss-rate for checked airline bags
On the other hand, the value of the shipment is sort of in the same ballpark as the value of the ship.
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Les Cargos nails the green light
Have always felt these passenger mules were decoys and some shopped to let everyone feel authorities are on top of illicit traffic. Big operators want big action, not 10 analised ounces carried by desperados.
Would also suspect container loads would also have been used and "rostered" personnel see the stuff go through.
But after Vietnam would also take a close look at military air movements as they can fly in at night, distribute and with only "rostered" personnel on duty.
After gorging some AF lemon sorbets I wonder if 2 similiar aircraft, possibly belonging to military, one departing from say Asia and the other domestic, can fly across each others flight path and "alter" their identity so the incoming flight from Asia stacked with goodies can become the domestic flight to land at an isolate military airfield and not get any attention.
Would also suspect container loads would also have been used and "rostered" personnel see the stuff go through.
But after Vietnam would also take a close look at military air movements as they can fly in at night, distribute and with only "rostered" personnel on duty.
After gorging some AF lemon sorbets I wonder if 2 similiar aircraft, possibly belonging to military, one departing from say Asia and the other domestic, can fly across each others flight path and "alter" their identity so the incoming flight from Asia stacked with goodies can become the domestic flight to land at an isolate military airfield and not get any attention.
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Incidentally 1.3 tons payload is nothing to an A330.
I am pretty sure the 1,300 kg were not taken into account in the load/trim sheets !!!
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Any "corporation" that loads 100 Million dollars (resale) of stuff on a plane will certainly desire the plane to arrive intact ...
The drug wholesale shippers seem to be on the side of the angels
The drug wholesale shippers seem to be on the side of the angels
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Sos, France24 reported it was "just over 30 suitcases", may not be correct
Edmund, I know what you mean but frankly I find it terrifying that a large number of bags not belonging to passengers made it onto a French aircraft on the anniversary of the worst terrorist atrocity in living memory when the same group behind that vile act are kown to be targeting French assets
Edmund, I know what you mean but frankly I find it terrifying that a large number of bags not belonging to passengers made it onto a French aircraft on the anniversary of the worst terrorist atrocity in living memory when the same group behind that vile act are kown to be targeting French assets
Thousands of bags are loaded every day without the owners being onboard. This is caused by the airlines, handling agents and airports failing in securing the bag is connected along with the passenger, getting left behind and forwarded on the next flight as unaccompanied baggage. Nothing unusual about that at all, and I suspect that is also the case here - or at least that was the way the bags were declared.
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Posting #s 36, 38, 39.
Amazing how the lessons of Lockerbie, and the rules on unaccompanied baggage have been forgotten, 25 years after that major tragedy.
Do we assume these bags were specially screened?
With what they contained I doubt any competent hold baggage screener would pass them as the contents should show up as expensive icing sugar, so are the baggage security staff in on the deal?
PanAm 103 showed the way the villains could get a target using controlled drug runs (ignore all the official
about Megrahi and Malta!) and it looks like we're looking at another actual weak link.
Do we assume these bags were specially screened?
With what they contained I doubt any competent hold baggage screener would pass them as the contents should show up as expensive icing sugar, so are the baggage security staff in on the deal?
PanAm 103 showed the way the villains could get a target using controlled drug runs (ignore all the official
about Megrahi and Malta!) and it looks like we're looking at another actual weak link.