Ryanair secrets?
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HMRC have published simple guidelines regarding whether an individual is employed or self-employed
Employed or self-employed?
In order to answer this question it is necessary to determine whether the person works under a contract of service (employees) or under a contract for services (self-employed, independent contractor). For tax and NICs purposes, there is no statutory definition of a contract of service or of a contract for services. What the parties call their relationship, or what they consider it to be, is not conclusive. It is the reality of the relationship that matters.
In order to determine the nature of a contract, it is necessary to apply common law principles. The courts have, over the years, laid down some factors and tests that are relevant, which is included in the overview below.
As a general guide as to whether a worker is an employee or self-employed; if the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, then the worker is probably an employee:
Do they have to do the work themselves?
Can someone tell them at any time what to do, where to carry out the work or when and how to do it?
Can they work a set amount of hours?
Can someone move them from task to task?
Are they paid by the hour, week, or month?
Can they get overtime pay or bonus payment?
If the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, it will usually mean that the worker is self-employed:
Can they hire someone to do the work or engage helpers at their own expense?
Do they risk their own money?
Do they provide the main items of equipment they need to do their job, not just the small tools that many employees provide for themselves?
Do they agree to do a job for a fixed price regardless of how long the job may take?
Can they decide what work to do, how and when to do the work and where to provide the services?
Do they regularly work for a number of different people?
Do they have to correct unsatisfactory work in their own time and at their own expense?
In order to answer this question it is necessary to determine whether the person works under a contract of service (employees) or under a contract for services (self-employed, independent contractor). For tax and NICs purposes, there is no statutory definition of a contract of service or of a contract for services. What the parties call their relationship, or what they consider it to be, is not conclusive. It is the reality of the relationship that matters.
In order to determine the nature of a contract, it is necessary to apply common law principles. The courts have, over the years, laid down some factors and tests that are relevant, which is included in the overview below.
As a general guide as to whether a worker is an employee or self-employed; if the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, then the worker is probably an employee:
Do they have to do the work themselves?
Can someone tell them at any time what to do, where to carry out the work or when and how to do it?
Can they work a set amount of hours?
Can someone move them from task to task?
Are they paid by the hour, week, or month?
Can they get overtime pay or bonus payment?
If the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, it will usually mean that the worker is self-employed:
Can they hire someone to do the work or engage helpers at their own expense?
Do they risk their own money?
Do they provide the main items of equipment they need to do their job, not just the small tools that many employees provide for themselves?
Do they agree to do a job for a fixed price regardless of how long the job may take?
Can they decide what work to do, how and when to do the work and where to provide the services?
Do they regularly work for a number of different people?
Do they have to correct unsatisfactory work in their own time and at their own expense?
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Much as we'd all like to see the iniquitous FR system of "employment" uprooted I'd counsel caution, because if they are forced to fundamentally change the system you'd better believe that whatever comes after will be even less palatable to the "new" employees and even less good for the confidence and future of the industry. I guarantee they'll wish they'd stayed in the frying pan when they discover what life is like in the fire...
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In that case why do the IAA continue to provide an AOC to the company? I'm sure if what Ryanair are doing was illegal under EU rules, the IAA would tell them to change their employment policy or withdraw their AOC.
I'm not sure this issue falls within the jurisdiction of an XAA. It has nothing to do with EASA regs etc. nor, directly, with the financial well-being of the company. An XAA used to have an oversight of the well being to protect the pax from being dumped by a dodgy carrier going bust every week. One could argue these practices boost a carrier's potential to stay alive. I would have thought the local government's tax office would have jurisdiction.
I'm not following Agri B's thinking that things could be worse if this issue was addressed by the authorities. Surely if it was found to be non-koshewr the resulting change would be under the spot light by everyone; public, employees, media etc.
I'm not sure this issue falls within the jurisdiction of an XAA. It has nothing to do with EASA regs etc. nor, directly, with the financial well-being of the company. An XAA used to have an oversight of the well being to protect the pax from being dumped by a dodgy carrier going bust every week. One could argue these practices boost a carrier's potential to stay alive. I would have thought the local government's tax office would have jurisdiction.
I'm not following Agri B's thinking that things could be worse if this issue was addressed by the authorities. Surely if it was found to be non-koshewr the resulting change would be under the spot light by everyone; public, employees, media etc.
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Rat, imagine the fury and frustration in the management if they were forced to employ everyone properly. Just what sort of deal do you suppose they'd offer? it certainly wouldn't be to the employees' benefit, would it?
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Love the part about Spanish ATC recommending FR better English for there flight crew As far as I have read in the report, both crew had a level 6 English proficiency and are both British citizens. Maybe level 6 for the Spanish ATC?
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Being in possession of level 6 does not mean you have an accent or pronunciation authentic. I can assure you that many British citizens have a pronunciation or accent that does not deserve a level 6. But of course ... as they will give you a level below 6 being British, right?
Many people fron UK or USA do not vocalize well and understand them is a problem. Looks like they're chewing gum when speaking or hiccuping.
Paradoxically, they should set a good example.
Many people fron UK or USA do not vocalize well and understand them is a problem. Looks like they're chewing gum when speaking or hiccuping.
Paradoxically, they should set a good example.
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Rat, imagine the fury and frustration in the management if they were forced to employ everyone properly. Just what sort of deal do you suppose they'd offer? it certainly wouldn't be to the employees' benefit, would it?
If they have to employ directly it will still have to be at the rate that people are willing to do it for, don't you think?
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Such as this one for instance?
Self funded type ratings A320 or 737 Classic + 500 hours on type with Brookfield Aviation International Ltd | 1401369591
Note under "salary" it states "No salary on offer"
Self funded type ratings A320 or 737 Classic + 500 hours on type with Brookfield Aviation International Ltd | 1401369591
Note under "salary" it states "No salary on offer"
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In that case why do the IAA continue to provide an AOC to the company? I'm sure if what Ryanair are doing was illegal under EU rules, the IAA would tell them to change their employment policy or withdraw their AOC.
Ireland has become the airline equivalent of the dodgy ship registrant haven of Liberia. The Norwegian Long Haul 787 operation is considering moving its headquarters there due to Ireland's rather liberal work laws, and the ease with which an airline can deal with labor. Apparently Norway has some rather strict laws that protect its workers.
Ireland - Liberia for airlines.
If a Mayday is declared, then a MOR will/should have to be completed. The details will have to be made available to the relevant aviation authority I reckon the Spanish are getting a bit fed up with RYR these days. The next step would be for the Spanish to enforce an additional fuel reserve on RYR aircraft entering their airspace should a repeat occur as it seems the IAA are happy with the situation.
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I reckon the Spanish are getting a bit fed up with RYR these days.
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To be fair he did address this question, and the similar one with Beauvais Marseilles versus TGV. The train was twice the price and he claimed he was attracting a different type of pax. You can work on the train and comfort is at a premium of older, wealthier more business orientated pax. He claimed he could still compete. We shall see.
What did happen to Paris Marseilles? Does it still fly?
What did happen to Paris Marseilles? Does it still fly?
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Does the Ryanair fuel policy take into account the price differential between airports. I know that tankering isn't "green" however taking some extra fuel at zero cost would seem to me a prudent action to take by the commander; or is it all about being top of the fuel league?
Does the Ryanair fuel policy take into account the price differential between airports. I know that tankering isn't "green" however taking some extra fuel at zero cost would seem to me a prudent action to take by the commander; or is it all about being top of the fuel league?
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To be fair he did address this question, and the similar one with Beauvais Marseilles versus TGV. The train was twice the price and he claimed he was attracting a different type of pax. You can work on the train and comfort is at a premium of older, wealthier more business orientated pax. He claimed he could still compete. We shall see.
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MOL explains all at Swedish press conference. See the video here:-
SN-TV: "Vi kan inte stämma SN" - Nyköping - www.sn.se
Loved the bit at about 11:00 from the start
SN-TV: "Vi kan inte stämma SN" - Nyköping - www.sn.se
Loved the bit at about 11:00 from the start
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