Southwest KLGA gear collapse.
junebug172 -Our FOM has the Captain making the evacuate command a d that's it.
If you fly the 737NG or fly for Southwest then I'm all ears. Since you don't do either, lets continue with the thread.
GCal
He is an idiot and so are you.
You do not have all the information. In the LGA instance was there any need for a full emergency evac? Where was the immediate danger to life? Just because a gear has failed doesn't necessarily mean it's a trauma. No fire? No structural deformation? Wait it out and let the professionals do their job.
He was seated at an emergency exit and was a long time airline employee. He judged the situation safe and went.
That is exactly what I would do.
That is exactly what I would do.
You do not have all the information. In the LGA instance was there any need for a full emergency evac? Where was the immediate danger to life? Just because a gear has failed doesn't necessarily mean it's a trauma. No fire? No structural deformation? Wait it out and let the professionals do their job.
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Why would passengers be positioned to slide from way up near the tail of the aircraft, maybe 25' above ground, rather than from the slide near the nose which appears to be only 6' above ground? I wonder if some injuries resulted from using that high slide?
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Whilst you may be correct remember a lot of the people that died on the Piper Alpha did so because they waited on instructions to evacuate. Every situation is obviously different but the captain may not always be the person who has full knowledge of what is happening at the back.
Rig workers are now told, follow the training but use your initiative.
Whilst you may be correct remember a lot of the people that died on the Piper Alpha did so because they waited on instructions to evacuate. Every situation is obviously different but the captain may not always be the person who has full knowledge of what is happening at the back.
Rig workers are now told, follow the training but use your initiative.
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Dailymail has this video from the cabin ... landing knocked the camera out of the man's hand so it probably was a bit firm.
News Distribution Network - Shared Video
Beware ... a lot of fluff before and after the actual cabin scene.
News Distribution Network - Shared Video
Beware ... a lot of fluff before and after the actual cabin scene.
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the angle of the engine cowling appears consistent with a nose low arrival.
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I thought only Koreans didn't know how to land jet aircraft?
I have always been told to land my 737 on the main wheels first, and that means the nose of the aircraft is angled a few degrees up, not down.
I have always been told to land my 737 on the main wheels first, and that means the nose of the aircraft is angled a few degrees up, not down.
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Watching that clip from my armchair the angle of the engine cowling appears consistent with a nose low arrival.
I've just looked at six 737 landings videoed from a similar seat (youtube has loads) and none of them looked any more pitched up or down than the video above and they all landed on all six wheels.
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Flaps 62
The only idiotic thing would be to sit and wait when you have a clear view and can see it is safe.
Pilots may not be fully aware of what is going on behind them. I would say that is fairly certain in the Asiana crash.
The cabin crew may be in a state of shock, or physically unable to do what they are trained to - injured in some way perhaps or missing as once again in the Asiana crash.
Why wait when you can see it is safe? Why not use your own initiative? Remember the man I mentioned was a long time airline employee who was familiar with the aircraft and the emergency exits; and in the particular case the airport.
He made a judgement call based on his knowledge and it was correct.
The only idiotic thing would be to sit and wait when you have a clear view and can see it is safe.
Pilots may not be fully aware of what is going on behind them. I would say that is fairly certain in the Asiana crash.
The cabin crew may be in a state of shock, or physically unable to do what they are trained to - injured in some way perhaps or missing as once again in the Asiana crash.
Why wait when you can see it is safe? Why not use your own initiative? Remember the man I mentioned was a long time airline employee who was familiar with the aircraft and the emergency exits; and in the particular case the airport.
He made a judgement call based on his knowledge and it was correct.
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Oh the Irony
To quote bubbers44 from the Asiana thread
Surely this accident can't have occurred because of poor standards or piloting skills?
We make our pilots fly properly so why let pilots from other countries with poor skills risk our airliners safety? I might be a bigot but I am asking a question about US airport safety and why we compromise safety because other countries don't have our standards. Shut them down into the US, we did before.
According to the NTSB, the nose gear went up into the electronics bay, see photo:
NTSB: Nose gear penetrated Southwest 737 electronics bay
NTSB: Nose gear penetrated Southwest 737 electronics bay
According to the NTSB, the nose gear went up into the electronics bay, see photo:
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ml#post7956851