Asiana flight crash at San Francisco
I wonder what the FMA said? I wonder if they had RAD ALT issues?
Re the L engine:
That would help explain the lower fueselage damage and subsequent fire.
Is it tucked under the right side of the fuselage, behind the wing root? Looks like the fuselage may have ridden over it after it broke off?
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This aircraft is a different model from the BA incident with different engines. It was a shorter flight, not winter, not Polar and therefore the fuel temperature could not have been a factor.
Most Korean Pilots I have flown with will autoland at every chance they can. Take that option away from them, then turn off the ILS and many will struggle, even in benign conditions.
Most Korean Pilots I have flown with will autoland at every chance they can. Take that option away from them, then turn off the ILS and many will struggle, even in benign conditions.
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Guaranteed if this was a Korean crew that it was the first time in a long time conducting a visual approach without any form of vertical guidance available.
Just ask some of the guys here who have flown for Korean, Asiana etc.
Its either ILS to minimums or guaranteed CFIT.
What happened to briefing the threshold crossing height?
Just ask some of the guys here who have flown for Korean, Asiana etc.
Its either ILS to minimums or guaranteed CFIT.
What happened to briefing the threshold crossing height?
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Even with all the learned lessons from previous accidents, all the rigorous crew selection and training, and strict regulations, it amazes me that this still happens. It makes me think they had some really severe technical difficulties. But then again, aircraft maintenance sector is also built upon trial&error and is constantly improving and implementing new rules... By textbook, this shouldn't have happened. I really look forward to unraveling this mystery and learning something from it.
Added... Some of you say ILS was inactive... So what? If OZ pilots cannot handle the airplane down without an autoland, then they are not pilots! How did they pass the sim when they were interviewed for the job? I don't know, a 777 crashed because they had to land visually? Come on...
Added... Some of you say ILS was inactive... So what? If OZ pilots cannot handle the airplane down without an autoland, then they are not pilots! How did they pass the sim when they were interviewed for the job? I don't know, a 777 crashed because they had to land visually? Come on...
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CNN just "interviewed" the alleged daughter of a passenger - after much jibberish about absolutely SFA, the dolt-interviewer finally asked her what her father had reported about the event. She replied: 'he knew they were going in too low and that it was going to happen....the tail of the plane hit first and then bounced...'
Interesting............
Interesting............
I may have been a little rash suggesting he'd put out a call - - there's a garbled, stepped on call just prior to everyone going around. The Asiana does call short finals - it's just after that. Prob not related, apologies.
The lack of landing aids sounds "exciting"....
The lack of landing aids sounds "exciting"....
Lack of PAPI and GS in beautiful VFR causing a visual to be a complex maneuver in particular in a modern glass cockpit aircraft with a trained air carrier crew is laughable.
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"Lack of PAPI and GS in beautiful VFR causing a visual to be a complex maneuver in particular in a modern glass cockpit aircraft with a trained air carrier crew is laughable."
I'd say that if this was the cause/contributory factor it's a sad state of affairs rather than laughable - I'd be inclined not to laugh when people are hurt/dead
I'd say that if this was the cause/contributory factor it's a sad state of affairs rather than laughable - I'd be inclined not to laugh when people are hurt/dead
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Guaranteed if this was a Korean crew that it was the first time in a long time conducting a visual approach without any form of vertical guidance available.
Just ask some of the guys here who have flown for Korean, Asiana etc.
Its either ILS to minimums or guaranteed CFIT.
Just ask some of the guys here who have flown for Korean, Asiana etc.
Its either ILS to minimums or guaranteed CFIT.
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This is supposedly the Professional pilots forum. Daytime, VFR, light winds; a professional airline pilot does not need an electronic glideslope or FMS GP to affect a safe landing. Visual 28L/R is the norm for landing at SFO. BTW, both runways are 11,000+.
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Absolutely appalling PR approach. 2hrs plus have gone by and nothing on any of their websites which are all still 'business as usual'.
Most major carriers have plans to but up a holding page within 10 mins of a major incident.
Asian embaressment at loss of face being taken too far methinks.
Most major carriers have plans to but up a holding page within 10 mins of a major incident.
Asian embaressment at loss of face being taken too far methinks.
Get off your high horse MD
Quite common to have pax exit the aircraft in sfo saying they thought we were going to land in the water when landing 28L/R. You're over water till about 100-150 AGL. I can understand their concern.
Quite common to have pax exit the aircraft in sfo saying they thought we were going to land in the water when landing 28L/R. You're over water till about 100-150 AGL. I can understand their concern.
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Having flown for several airlines in Asia including big blue I can suggest that a cocked up vis app with no slope guidance is very possible with some of these guys. It may turn out to be technical but it may not be that complex ar all.
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PaperTiger's post above very telling indeed....
