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Preceeding Landing in unreported incident ?
DAVAO CITY—Minutes before Cebu Pacific Flight 5J-971 skidded off the runway at Davao International Airport on Sunday night, another plane from the same airline swerved after touchdown and hit the runway lights.
Sources from the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) told the Inquirer that the first plane, a turboprop also owned by Cebu Pacific Air, hit two runway lights.
Minutes later, Flight 5J-971, an Airbus A320-200, landed in heavy rain, veered off the centerline, and fell nose first into a ditch.
CAAP sources said the turboprop plane, which came from Cagayan de Oro City, went into a skid on the rain-drenched runway because of strong winds.
A flight schedule post on Cebu Pacific’s website shows the daily Flight 5J-215, operated with a turboprop plane, arrives in Davao City at 6 in the evening.
The Airbus Flight 5J-971 touched down at 7:10 p.m. Sunday.
No report
CAAP sources said they learned about the incident involving the turboprop plane only during the inspection of the runway on Monday.
“The pilot (of the smaller plane) did not report the incident,” a CAAP source said.
The plane’s wheels were damaged during the incident, another source said.
The damaged runway lights were immediately replaced, but the skid marks of the plane’s wheels remained, showing what had happened, the source added.
“If the turboprop plane veered off and fell on the grassy area, damage would have been less because the plane was small. It could be easily removed,” the source said.
Had the incident been properly reported, it would have helped if officials and pilots were advised about the situation on the ground, the source said.
The CAAP chief at Davao International Airport, Frederick San Felix, said he did not receive any report about the turboprop plane from airport personnel and the airline company.
“I will verify the incident,” San Felix told the Inquirer by phone.
Class suit
On Tuesday night, at least 45 passengers, calling their group Flight 5J-971, met and agreed to bring a class suit against Cebu Pacific.
“We want to know what our value is for the company,” Andrew Bautista, one of the group’s leaders, told reporters when asked what the passengers expected to gain by pursuing the lawsuit.
“Somebody has to pay. This is not just about getting something from them,” he added.
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Sources from the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) told the Inquirer that the first plane, a turboprop also owned by Cebu Pacific Air, hit two runway lights.
Minutes later, Flight 5J-971, an Airbus A320-200, landed in heavy rain, veered off the centerline, and fell nose first into a ditch.
CAAP sources said the turboprop plane, which came from Cagayan de Oro City, went into a skid on the rain-drenched runway because of strong winds.
A flight schedule post on Cebu Pacific’s website shows the daily Flight 5J-215, operated with a turboprop plane, arrives in Davao City at 6 in the evening.
The Airbus Flight 5J-971 touched down at 7:10 p.m. Sunday.
No report
CAAP sources said they learned about the incident involving the turboprop plane only during the inspection of the runway on Monday.
“The pilot (of the smaller plane) did not report the incident,” a CAAP source said.
The plane’s wheels were damaged during the incident, another source said.
The damaged runway lights were immediately replaced, but the skid marks of the plane’s wheels remained, showing what had happened, the source added.
“If the turboprop plane veered off and fell on the grassy area, damage would have been less because the plane was small. It could be easily removed,” the source said.
Had the incident been properly reported, it would have helped if officials and pilots were advised about the situation on the ground, the source said.
The CAAP chief at Davao International Airport, Frederick San Felix, said he did not receive any report about the turboprop plane from airport personnel and the airline company.
“I will verify the incident,” San Felix told the Inquirer by phone.
Class suit
On Tuesday night, at least 45 passengers, calling their group Flight 5J-971, met and agreed to bring a class suit against Cebu Pacific.
“We want to know what our value is for the company,” Andrew Bautista, one of the group’s leaders, told reporters when asked what the passengers expected to gain by pursuing the lawsuit.
“Somebody has to pay. This is not just about getting something from them,” he added.
Read more: Earlier plane mishap damaged Davao airport runway lights | Inquirer News
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On Tuesday night, at least 45 passengers, calling their group Flight 5J-971, met and agreed to bring a class suit against Cebu Pacific.
“We want to know what our value is for the company,” Andrew Bautista, one of the group’s leaders, told reporters when asked what the passengers expected to gain by pursuing the lawsuit.
“Somebody has to pay. This is not just about getting something from them,” he added.
“We want to know what our value is for the company,” Andrew Bautista, one of the group’s leaders, told reporters when asked what the passengers expected to gain by pursuing the lawsuit.
“Somebody has to pay. This is not just about getting something from them,” he added.
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I suspect they and their lawyers will soon be approached by American legal specialists in this field on a no win no fee basis with all sorts of advice as to jurisdiction ( where to sue) class actions ,exemplary and punitive damages,and advice on claims for every mental and psychological condition known to mankind and allegedly caused by the accident. Cebu Pacific will presumably eventually settle and the lawyers will go back to their lairs to wait the next air accident/ incident ........
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But an attempt to cover up the first incident ....
How to explain the damage to the landing gear ?
Vandalism while parked at a remote stand ? Keep flying as if nothing happened ?? And any record in the relevant log ???
How to explain the damage to the landing gear ?
Vandalism while parked at a remote stand ? Keep flying as if nothing happened ?? And any record in the relevant log ???
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impressed that Davao airport had the replacement lights available for immediate installation
In Philippines it CAN take days.....months.....to source the replacements .....then days to deliver and more days to install test and activate the lighting ....
Meantime the speculation mounts
Why was the F/O flying the aircraft ?
How many hours flying time did the commander have ??
Was the commander ill before the landing ?
In Philippines it CAN take days.....months.....to source the replacements .....then days to deliver and more days to install test and activate the lighting ....
Meantime the speculation mounts
Why was the F/O flying the aircraft ?
How many hours flying time did the commander have ??
Was the commander ill before the landing ?
.. and another Cebu Pacific runway excursion yesterday in Manila. But at least with this one, they can taxi in in to the apron. Phew!! 
Incident: Cebu Pacific A319 at Manila on Jun 13th 2013, runway excursion
Incident: Cebu Pacific A319 at Manila on Jun 13th 2013, runway excursion
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And yet another one, today:
CebuPac plane skids on NAIA runway - Manila Standard Today
I am not a pilot; I do travel on Cebu Pacific. Several friends who are pilots have commented on what they say is practically a "culture" of arriving hot and high in Philippines domestic aviation. I don't know if there is a connection but I pass this on in the hope that professionals may like to comment.
CebuPac plane skids on NAIA runway - Manila Standard Today
I am not a pilot; I do travel on Cebu Pacific. Several friends who are pilots have commented on what they say is practically a "culture" of arriving hot and high in Philippines domestic aviation. I don't know if there is a connection but I pass this on in the hope that professionals may like to comment.
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Jetjockey696 quote: "Philippine aviation authorities said on Tuesday they were investigating Cebu Pacific pilots and crew who left passengers waiting some 15 minutes before deploying emergency slides on a plane that overshot the runway and landed on its nose."
Late reply I know but didn't the QF1 crew wait for quite some time at BKK (DM) before slide deployment and evac?
Late reply I know but didn't the QF1 crew wait for quite some time at BKK (DM) before slide deployment and evac?
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SOPs
The last time I checked the FCOM, the SOP was an announcement "ATTENTION CREW, AT STATIONS!" by the Captain on the PA without delay in case of any possible emergency evacuation, actual, precautionary or otherwise. The purpose is supposedly to establish communication between the flight deck crew and the cabin crew as well as to calm the passengers by establishing that there is somebody in command. That is the Captains duty.
Similarly, the cabin crew's duty would be to would be to anticipate a command from the Captain. In the absence of any communication, it is her duty to call the flight deck and inquire. No response, the lead cabin crew then takes over and becomes the person in charge.
No hesitation and without delay.
That's the protocol/ chain of command. Was it followed?
Similarly, the cabin crew's duty would be to would be to anticipate a command from the Captain. In the absence of any communication, it is her duty to call the flight deck and inquire. No response, the lead cabin crew then takes over and becomes the person in charge.
No hesitation and without delay.
That's the protocol/ chain of command. Was it followed?
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VP Flt Ops is Capt Jim Sydiongco, CP A330 is Capt Manny Ilagan. Big boss at the long haul division is Alex Reyes. No replacement yet for the COA.
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Bungling Cebu Pacific pilots barred and suspended
Philippine aviation authorities suspended two pilots from budget carrier Cebu Pacific after their plane overshot a runway, saying they should have aborted the landing and failed to evacuate the aircraft which could have exploded.
The plane skidded off the runway in bad weather on June 2, coming to a halt on muddy ground beside the tarmac at the airport in the southern city of Davao.
All 165 people on board escaped unharmed, but angry passengers have criticized the pilots and cabin crew, saying no one assisted them, AFP reports.
The Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines criticized the two pilots for a series of lapses. Deputy director John Andrews said they should have aborted the landing when they realized the plane was not descending at the correct angle.
And once the plane was on the ground, the pilots failed to immediately evacuate the passengers, leaving them on board for 15 minutes during which time the aircraft could have erupted in flames.
“In cases like this, you immediately initiate emergency evacuation. You don't know if the plane will explode or if the fuel lines were cut and there will be a fire,'' Andrews told reporters.
The chief pilot was suspended for six months and barred from serving as captain on a plane for a year, while his co-pilot was suspended for three months.
Cebu Pacific will also be asked to comply with an “action plan'' which stresses safety over cost-cutting, Andrews said, adding that shaving down turnaround time between flights could cause mistakes to happen.
“When you speed things up, you sometimes forget something,'' he said. “We can say Cebu Pacific is safe. We just want to make it more safe.''
CAAP officials said the airline could still face additional fines for the damage and losses caused to the airport.
Cebu Pacific said in a statement that it would comply with all the aviation authority's recommendations and would improve its training procedures, putting a new emphasis on safety.
The HK standard.. 25/06/2013
The plane skidded off the runway in bad weather on June 2, coming to a halt on muddy ground beside the tarmac at the airport in the southern city of Davao.
All 165 people on board escaped unharmed, but angry passengers have criticized the pilots and cabin crew, saying no one assisted them, AFP reports.
The Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines criticized the two pilots for a series of lapses. Deputy director John Andrews said they should have aborted the landing when they realized the plane was not descending at the correct angle.
And once the plane was on the ground, the pilots failed to immediately evacuate the passengers, leaving them on board for 15 minutes during which time the aircraft could have erupted in flames.
“In cases like this, you immediately initiate emergency evacuation. You don't know if the plane will explode or if the fuel lines were cut and there will be a fire,'' Andrews told reporters.
The chief pilot was suspended for six months and barred from serving as captain on a plane for a year, while his co-pilot was suspended for three months.
Cebu Pacific will also be asked to comply with an “action plan'' which stresses safety over cost-cutting, Andrews said, adding that shaving down turnaround time between flights could cause mistakes to happen.
“When you speed things up, you sometimes forget something,'' he said. “We can say Cebu Pacific is safe. We just want to make it more safe.''
CAAP officials said the airline could still face additional fines for the damage and losses caused to the airport.
Cebu Pacific said in a statement that it would comply with all the aviation authority's recommendations and would improve its training procedures, putting a new emphasis on safety.
The HK standard.. 25/06/2013
