Dutch TV reports on 'Ryanair pilots denominated alarm over safety'
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I cannot see anything changing MOL is way to ruthless and is always one step ahead of sloppy journalists and politicians. He and his team not only think the unthinkable but implement it.
He is on record of stating, amongst other things, that pilots are over paid, its that simple, they will push and push until something gives, people leave, so what, its a revenue opportunity to take another barrow load of €'s off of some starry eyed cadet and as long as he uses that cost advantage to keep headline fares below the competition he's on a winner and by killing the competition what choice do they have anyway?
So nothing will change, at least in the short to medium term,but over time the advantage that FR have enjoyed from the Hollywood Boeing deal will decrease, i think its very unlikely he will get the same type of bargain again from them or Airbus, question is does he have the ball's to buy Chinese?
He is on record of stating, amongst other things, that pilots are over paid, its that simple, they will push and push until something gives, people leave, so what, its a revenue opportunity to take another barrow load of €'s off of some starry eyed cadet and as long as he uses that cost advantage to keep headline fares below the competition he's on a winner and by killing the competition what choice do they have anyway?
So nothing will change, at least in the short to medium term,but over time the advantage that FR have enjoyed from the Hollywood Boeing deal will decrease, i think its very unlikely he will get the same type of bargain again from them or Airbus, question is does he have the ball's to buy Chinese?
Can you name any large aircraft that does not have Chinese parts in it ?
You are oblivious to the supply chain if you think that the airlines are not already buying Chinese.
Does the flight crew have to pay to use the toilets on Ryan Air flights ?
If not, why not ?
And how many bags are they allowed ?
If they only hired pilots that weigh under 120 lbs,they would save a fortune on fuel every year.
I am surprised that they still hire anyone over 150 lbs
You are oblivious to the supply chain if you think that the airlines are not already buying Chinese.
Does the flight crew have to pay to use the toilets on Ryan Air flights ?
If not, why not ?
And how many bags are they allowed ?
If they only hired pilots that weigh under 120 lbs,they would save a fortune on fuel every year.
I am surprised that they still hire anyone over 150 lbs
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It is apparent there are not very many (if any) 'real' Ryanair pilots discussing the demerits of working for said company which infers the vast majority are indeed satisfied in their work.
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It is apparent there are not very many (if any) 'real' Ryanair pilots discussing the demerits of working for said company which infers the vast majority are indeed satisfied in their work.
What is a "real" Ryanair pilot anyway?
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It is apparent there are not very many (if any) 'real' Ryanair pilots discussing the demerits of working for said company which infers the vast majority are indeed satisfied in their work.
Also mind not all pilots feel the need to share information with the rest of the world on a public forum. There is a dedicated website for Ryanair pilots setup long time ago for a reason.
Also each and every Ryanair pilot has it ows experience with the company. Some, especially those longtimers with a Ryanair contract, are happy and earning good money. Some on a Brookfield contract might have a complete different experience.
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It was also recognised that Ryanair has a unique pilot (and cabin-crew) workforce that has characteristics that cross traditional Pilot Association boundaries. For this reason it was realised that the existing model of representation is not longer valid for the Ryanair pan-European pilot workforce.
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Squawk-7600 - sorry, to clarify what I meant by 'real' that is they are genuine and authentic postings by Ryanair pilots. 1stspotter, I see your point but on such a serious matter as the Dutch / Spanish brought up you'd imagine those happy and with a clear conscience in their jobs at Ryanair would be prepared to support their employer in greater numbers than experienced.
A Ryanair captain flying 800 hours will probably actually work around 1600 hours in a year. Take off a couple of months for holidays, training and sickness etc. and you are left with about 40 working weeks. So half of Ryanair's pilots are making around 100,000 euros a year working a forty hour week. The occasional one posts that it is really not that bad and its true.
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But they could actually do that much duty every year without flying couldn't they. How much do they earn then?
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Compared to an easyJet Milan based captain, doing the same job earns around 35k more and receives the associated benefits and perks.
If you ask a pilot with a young family, that's based 1500 miles away because there's not a fair and transparent basing system, with no chance of any annual leave in the peak times, sat in a hotel on unpaid standby duty. He is now worrying if the Italian tax man will come knocking on the door, life is completely different eh Lederhosen?
Still, you're alright though
If you ask a pilot with a young family, that's based 1500 miles away because there's not a fair and transparent basing system, with no chance of any annual leave in the peak times, sat in a hotel on unpaid standby duty. He is now worrying if the Italian tax man will come knocking on the door, life is completely different eh Lederhosen?
Still, you're alright though
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I was wonderig is any limit excists on the percentage of contracted pilots any Irish registered airlines uses.
There is none.
This is what Irish Aviation Authority says.
"The Irish Aviation Authority’s Safety Regulatory Division is responsible for the safety of the total aviation system in Ireland, for the licensing of pilots, aircraft maintenance engineers and air traffic controllers and for the safety regulatory oversight of Irish registered aircraft, wherever they are operated.
It is responsible for ensuring that all aviation activities conducted by Irish air operators and maintenance organisations are in accordance with ICAO, EU and national requirements. In the case of airline pilots operating for an airline with an Irish AOC (Air Operators Certificate) the IAA is responsible to ensure that they are appropriately licensed and rated for the operations in which they are engaged.
The employment contracts between the pilots and the operators is outside the remit of the Irish Aviation Authority.”
There is none.
This is what Irish Aviation Authority says.
"The Irish Aviation Authority’s Safety Regulatory Division is responsible for the safety of the total aviation system in Ireland, for the licensing of pilots, aircraft maintenance engineers and air traffic controllers and for the safety regulatory oversight of Irish registered aircraft, wherever they are operated.
It is responsible for ensuring that all aviation activities conducted by Irish air operators and maintenance organisations are in accordance with ICAO, EU and national requirements. In the case of airline pilots operating for an airline with an Irish AOC (Air Operators Certificate) the IAA is responsible to ensure that they are appropriately licensed and rated for the operations in which they are engaged.
The employment contracts between the pilots and the operators is outside the remit of the Irish Aviation Authority.”
There are plenty of downsides to Ryanair as to just about any outfit. The major upside is the probability of continued employment.
You can cherry pick better terms and conditions. By all accounts Easyjet is good for those with an established career as is Lord Spandex Monster's mob if you are not on a seasonal contract. But you need to be in the right place, Dortmund and Madrid spring to mind as far as Easyjet is concerned.
For Ryanair contractors based away from home unsure about tax and needing a regular income it is certainly not all positive.
Equally if you factor in possible upsides e.g time to upgrade, likelyhood that the airline will still be around in five years etc. then the numbers are not bad for example when compared to Air Berlin. There is no shortage of other shaky candidates.
I suspect there is a vast silent majority who are perfectly happy. Although to be honest most of us love to have a good moan.
You can cherry pick better terms and conditions. By all accounts Easyjet is good for those with an established career as is Lord Spandex Monster's mob if you are not on a seasonal contract. But you need to be in the right place, Dortmund and Madrid spring to mind as far as Easyjet is concerned.
For Ryanair contractors based away from home unsure about tax and needing a regular income it is certainly not all positive.
Equally if you factor in possible upsides e.g time to upgrade, likelyhood that the airline will still be around in five years etc. then the numbers are not bad for example when compared to Air Berlin. There is no shortage of other shaky candidates.
I suspect there is a vast silent majority who are perfectly happy. Although to be honest most of us love to have a good moan.
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A bit offtopic: just in the Netherlands there are 1100 pilots fresh from school without a job and a debt of 150k to 200k euro.
And I guarantee you that, even after watching this program on TV, every single one of them would take a job with RYR if offered one in the morning.
A bit offtopic: just in the Netherlands there are 1100 pilots fresh from school without a job and a debt of 150k to 200k euro.
And I guarantee you that, even after watching this program on TV, every single one of them would take a job with RYR if offered one in the morning.
This will not guarantee a job at Ryanair. And IF you get a job, you will be paid for each hour flown. No pay for standby hours. You could easily be based at an airport far away etc etc. And in winter even less flying hours.
I am not so sure that all will accept a TR at FR and get more debts.
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There are plenty of downsides to Ryanair as to just about any outfit. The major upside is the probability of continued employment.
A friend of mine, on the inside, tells that contracts are for 5 years. Some of his colleagues refused to sign the latest version for a variety of reasons, one being it was unreasonable in their eyes, and so were no longer required. He tells there are rumours others, after the 5 year term, were not offered new contracts even though there is still fresh recruitment. If this is true your statement needs questioning.
A friend of mine, on the inside, tells that contracts are for 5 years. Some of his colleagues refused to sign the latest version for a variety of reasons, one being it was unreasonable in their eyes, and so were no longer required. He tells there are rumours others, after the 5 year term, were not offered new contracts even though there is still fresh recruitment. If this is true your statement needs questioning.
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It would be interesting to know what the content of the contract between pilot and Brookfield / Storm McGinley is. Guess something like how much is paid per block hour per experience level. And for sure what costs are to be paid by the pilot.
And something about how many days of flying and how many days off. Something like you can request a preference for a base but it is up to Ryanair to decide where you will be based, for how long etc.
Also for sure how much 'management fee' is deducted from the salary which is for the accountant. 2% it is I believe!
Does the contract say something about a guaranteed minimum number of flying hours per year?
some info on contracts here.
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...inley-ryr.html
A 5 year contract is what I understand.
And something about how many days of flying and how many days off. Something like you can request a preference for a base but it is up to Ryanair to decide where you will be based, for how long etc.
Also for sure how much 'management fee' is deducted from the salary which is for the accountant. 2% it is I believe!
Does the contract say something about a guaranteed minimum number of flying hours per year?
some info on contracts here.
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...inley-ryr.html
A 5 year contract is what I understand.
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Also for sure how much 'management fee' is deducted from the salary which is for the accountant. 2% it is I believe!
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The management fee is the fee each pilot on certain contracts pays or used to pay in order for their accountant to handle payroll, tax etc and a place as a director in the accountants prepared limited companies.
3% plus VAT. Total around 4%.
3% plus VAT. Total around 4%.
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@1st Spotter i know Storm have a minimum 30 hours per month but you get 10€ less per hour as a result. Salary 60, 75, 82 for F/O and 120, 130, 138 or 145 for Cpt. F/O figures are based on hours flown in the company and Captain what was on offer when you signed the contract.
1600 hours work a year seems much more accurate. But we need to deduct social security before we do anything in order to get a salary figure to compare to peers etc. In Italy i understand it is around 35%.
So instead of the very pleasant 900 hours a year making 100.000€.
You actually work more like 1600 hours and make around 65,000€ if you´re able to collect the 100k to start with.
1600 hours work a year seems much more accurate. But we need to deduct social security before we do anything in order to get a salary figure to compare to peers etc. In Italy i understand it is around 35%.
So instead of the very pleasant 900 hours a year making 100.000€.
You actually work more like 1600 hours and make around 65,000€ if you´re able to collect the 100k to start with.
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They use the same principal with us now, as they started with pax.
FLY TO DUBLIN FOR €1.99
Add EU levy, admin fee, taxes, check-in fee, bla bla bla and that €1.99 turns into €100.
FLY FOR RYANAIR €120,000 salary on a 5/4 roster
Sounds lovely, but read between the lines and you get a poor deal compared to similar operators.
FLY TO DUBLIN FOR €1.99
Add EU levy, admin fee, taxes, check-in fee, bla bla bla and that €1.99 turns into €100.
FLY FOR RYANAIR €120,000 salary on a 5/4 roster
Sounds lovely, but read between the lines and you get a poor deal compared to similar operators.