A330 AIR BERLIN INCIDENT IN HKT
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if the majority here advocate an auto land an aircraft overweight because it has one of the two engines on fire, please leave the industry. Of course we are talking about airbus pilots. What do you guys do in training, sit and read the womans journal.
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Quite amazing how many of the above post so knowledgeably and completely ignore the fact that they don't even know if it was foggy and that they can't auto land at HKT anyway..
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I quote a reaction made on the Aviation Herald
Gentleman,
This comment more or less describes what happened and not the assumptions that were made here prior.
If you are a 330 driver, you really understand that this a severe emergency that Airbus considers as " very unlikely".
Well done to the well experienced "Air Berlin" pilots
To the Green poster who started the Topic: a bit off to conclude that the tire burst was due to a hard landing after an overweight landing with dual hydraulic failure and 1 eng out. To the Autoland fraction: you have a third Auto Pilot in the A330 I didn't know off who suddenly works with a Dual Hydr leaving you in Alternate law until you lower the landing gear?? We are talking about hand flying in a FBW aircraft that is missing some of its flight controls
on one engine.
Forget the Autoland stuff; you can't do one in Direct law and for sure not on a RNAV09 ( not to mention the offset 27) in the middle of the night.
As always. Please stop the false assumptions.
Well done to those pilots and the cabin crew. Experience does matter no matter what they say.
By Denti on Friday, Dec 21st 2012 23:13Z
Well, uncontained engine failure, two hydraulic systems gone, crew flying on direct law and of course no anti skid on landing, all that well above landing weight. Air Berlin is quite lucky to still have a few experienced flight crews that know how to handle a multiple malfunction situation without any injured passengers or crew.
Well, uncontained engine failure, two hydraulic systems gone, crew flying on direct law and of course no anti skid on landing, all that well above landing weight. Air Berlin is quite lucky to still have a few experienced flight crews that know how to handle a multiple malfunction situation without any injured passengers or crew.
This comment more or less describes what happened and not the assumptions that were made here prior.
If you are a 330 driver, you really understand that this a severe emergency that Airbus considers as " very unlikely".
Well done to the well experienced "Air Berlin" pilots
To the Green poster who started the Topic: a bit off to conclude that the tire burst was due to a hard landing after an overweight landing with dual hydraulic failure and 1 eng out. To the Autoland fraction: you have a third Auto Pilot in the A330 I didn't know off who suddenly works with a Dual Hydr leaving you in Alternate law until you lower the landing gear?? We are talking about hand flying in a FBW aircraft that is missing some of its flight controls
on one engine. Forget the Autoland stuff; you can't do one in Direct law and for sure not on a RNAV09 ( not to mention the offset 27) in the middle of the night.
As always. Please stop the false assumptions.
Well done to those pilots and the cabin crew. Experience does matter no matter what they say.
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Very mild cool season or weather at Phuket Starts mid of October ends at mid of March. Celsius is like 25c-32c.The hint of starting cool weather at phuket,when moisture weather winds at phuket crash with cool winds arrives from china. This wind meeting create fog in Phuket for around for 2 days, on that time if you go to any mountains like Big Buddha mountain, feels like you are in some of the other places.
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After an engine failure,it automatically changes from normal to alternate law/direct law..in which many systems are unavailable including antiskid..
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RAJITHRAJAN320 "...in which many systems are unavailable including antiskid..."
Engine 1 (2) Shutdown (ENG 2 shutdown in paranthesis)
BLUE HYD (if ENG 1 shutdown)
(YELLOW HYD) (if ENG 2 shutdown)
PART SPLRS
REV 1 (2)
CAT 3 DUAL
ENG 1 (2) BLEED
PACK 1 (2)
G ENG 1 (2) PUMP
B ENG 1 PUMP
(Y ENG 2 PUMP)
GEN 1 (2)
ALTN BRK (if ENG 1 shutdown)
PART GALLEY (electric)
(YAW DAMPER 2) (if ENG 2 shutdown)
affected:
SLATS SLOW (if ENG 1 shutdown)
FLAPS SLOW (if ENG 2 shutdown)
CAT 3 SINGLE ONLY
if one ENG FIRE p/B has been pressed A/THR may be inop - then degraded to CAT 2 ONLY
In my opinion the antiskid is available - but I flew the A-330-200 for only seven years...
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[QUOTE]Is the A330 AP certified for AL on 1 engine?/QUOTE]
Yes, Cat 3 A.
Good on them, an engine fire out of HKT could not have been easy especially with negotiating with local ATC. ATC can be very good but as soon as things go wrong and nonstandard phrases start to slip in things can get very busy very quickly.
A few well deserved Chang's will be enjoyed by the crew I hope.
Yes, Cat 3 A.
Good on them, an engine fire out of HKT could not have been easy especially with negotiating with local ATC. ATC can be very good but as soon as things go wrong and nonstandard phrases start to slip in things can get very busy very quickly.
A few well deserved Chang's will be enjoyed by the crew I hope.
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Eng1 fail with additional green Hydr failure.
In other words: green and blue system gone and on one engine.
Overweight landing
These are facts.
So if you loose 2 Hydr systems you go in alternate law with reduced protections.
Once you lower the gear, you are in direct law.
All the discussions about Autoland are not relevant.
The assumption that once you loose an engine you are in alternate law is not correct.
On all the Airbus 330 and 320 (on which I am rated and current on) series you can still make an Autoland with one engine out. Correctly stated CAT 3 A or single as mentioned in Airbus Aircraft. Things change when you loose more then "just" an engine.
In other words: green and blue system gone and on one engine.
Overweight landing
These are facts.
So if you loose 2 Hydr systems you go in alternate law with reduced protections.
Once you lower the gear, you are in direct law.
All the discussions about Autoland are not relevant.
The assumption that once you loose an engine you are in alternate law is not correct.
On all the Airbus 330 and 320 (on which I am rated and current on) series you can still make an Autoland with one engine out. Correctly stated CAT 3 A or single as mentioned in Airbus Aircraft. Things change when you loose more then "just" an engine.
