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The Aviation Herald under legal threat

Old 7th Dec 2012, 20:07
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The issue is as of today only simmering in "informed" circles. Still I have the strong feeling that there is a stormfront lingering already behind the horizon.
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 20:08
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Surely you can express an opinion in public so long as, in my opinion, you have stated that it is an opinion?

It's when you stray into stating that something is a fact when it isn't that you may be opening yourself up for the legal consequences.

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Old 7th Dec 2012, 21:35
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PPRUNE vs AVHerald

Having spent a bemused and somewhat vexing half-hour perusing the AVHerald thread on this topic, coming here is a breath of fresh - and rational - air.

If the difference between the two can be attributed to 'open season' versus 'moderated' environments, then give me moderated every day of the week..

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Old 7th Dec 2012, 23:32
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But how can people's opinions written in the web be subject to any liability?
If you go around telling tell the world that in your opinion Fred down the road is a wife beater you best be sure you can prove it. Its not hard to find people who have gone to court and won damages for defamation. Doesn't matter if you do it online, down the pub or in the newspaper. Best think carefully about that hotel review you are about to post online. Can you prove the room was dirty? You might need to do so in court.
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 01:32
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BBC using anonymous sites for quotes?

Yes they do. Not this one but one I use regularly has had some honourable mentions.
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 02:48
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looks like their legal eagle is flying high...Sunday Times sued by Ryanair over safety story | PressGazette
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 09:48
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Indeed, you can have an opinion, as can we all. It's when you voice your opinion or put it into writing that it becomes public. Be of no doubt - as soon as you write anything on the internet, it becomes public property. PPRuNe is not a private forum, it is a forum to which anyone can sign up to, as indeed are any number of other social and professional forums. Be very careful what you write - it might come back to bite you!
Good post Sunny John....

Sadly some people are only starting to realise that they are responsible for what they post on the internet.

I like AvHerald but there is no modding or control over what is posted. Sadly it has become a place infested with Trolls where no control is being exercised.

It is quite likely that they will now have to have some control over what is being posted with inappropriate comments being removed.
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 10:30
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looks like their legal eagle is flying high...Sunday Times sued by Ryanair over safety story | PressGazette
Even the UK Press Gazette is guilty of misleading headlines.

The Sunday Times IS BEING SUED by Ryanair would be a lot more accurate. I have just asked 10 people and all 10 of them take that to mean that the Sunday Times has been successfully sued by Ryanair.

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Old 8th Dec 2012, 11:45
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It appears the money they saved on expensive advertising with these newspapers can now be used to sue them for damages.

Judging by the amount these easy targets pay out these days in liable cases they will probably view this move as a good ROI.

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Old 8th Dec 2012, 12:34
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The Sunday Times IS BEING SUED by Ryanair would be a lot more accurate. I have just asked 10 people and all 10 of them take that to mean that the Sunday Times has been successfully sued by Ryanair.
Sue (v. t.) To seek justice or right from, by legal process; to institute process in law against; to bring an action against; to prosecute judicially.

"Sunday Times sued by Ryanair" and "Sunday Times successfully sued by Ryanair" aren't the same thing at all.
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 12:59
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If most of you are really professional pilota then one has to wonder while boarding an a/c, as many sound like 10y olds. You seem to believe you can say "this airline is an accident waiting to happen because their culture is inherently unsafe, and no one can do anything about what I day, because I'm free to state whatever opiniom". This is plain stupid. Gęś, you can say whatever you want, but take responsibility for what you say.

In the other thread about memmingen incident no one is really arguing that the approach went wronf, but the problem starts when people begin a chorus "this is due to their culture", while everything about their operations proves otherwise. It's laughable, and no surprise rury want to take measures against it.
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 14:19
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Oh dear, looks like MOL is going to have to sue the Daily Mail too, their litigators are going to be awfully busy...

Ryanair plane carrying 141 passengers from Manchester nearly crashed over Germany after pilots tried new manoeuvre to make up lost time
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 14:51
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Remarkable! Do Ryanair still use 30 year old B732?
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 16:16
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Oh dear, looks like MOL is going to have to sue the Daily Mail too, their litigators are going to be awfully busy...
Plus, at the latest count, around 130 assorted comments by DM readers, some of which make those Aviation Herald posts look pretty tame by comparison.
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 16:37
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From the Aviation Herald homepage:
Aviation Herald no longer under legal threat by Ryanair.
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 16:48
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Excellent! ("Good" would have sufficed, but the forum has a minimum character limit )
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 17:18
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Indeed. Here are some choice comments from Daily Mail readers:

Ryanair is a disaster waiting to happen
- VirtualMaiden, Southport, United Kingdom, 10/12/2012 17:26

They are an accident looking to happen
- jonb, Leicester, 10/12/2012 17:10

Best be well insured when taking a Ryaniar flight
- Frenchiegirl, Paris. France, 10/12/2012 16:48

This cowboy company is going to have a serious accident one day and many lives will be lost, just to save pennies.
- sar02, wolverhampton, United Kingdom, 10/12/2012 16:34

Look! Just take a look at O'Leary, and ask yourself, 'Do I really trust this man with my LIFE!!!?
- Budgie, Blyth, 10/12/2012 16:10
I'm not a lawyer, but I'd always understood that defamation cases could only work if the plaintiff had a reputation to lose in the first place. Comments such as the above rather suggest that Ryanair doesn't, which is presumbly helpful for the media in future?

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Old 10th Dec 2012, 18:05
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I am not a RYR fan because of their product and even perhaps more so because of their CEO's general attitude. I have never however considered them unsafe. They will have incidents just like any other carrier including the big boys. I believe that the major reason anything involving RYR is immediately targeted by a significant percentage of the public and the media is MOL himself. If they don't let him go (soon) and change their image he could eventually bring the airline down.
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 19:44
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@HT Don't think so...

BBC News - Ryanair profits jump on traffic and fare rises

You're confusing the travelling masses with someone who gives a damn!
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 19:47
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I don't think he will 'bring it down;' but dent it he certainly will and that will hurt. As I said on t'other thread, the damage he and his legal eagles are inflicting by focussing the world on this event is inestimable. Instead of saying - dreadful mis-handling, duff crew, have been disciplined, well below the high standards we set, etc etc they wallow in fighting the obvious.

What happened to King Canute?

EDIT: WP - 'old news' - that reporting period had not seen the madness of King Michael. Now that he and his team have actually encouraged the common press to take note, I think we will see a difference.

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