Other univited guest on the F/D.
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Other univited guest on the F/D.
On the way down to JNB the other night another uninvited guest got into the F/D,fortunately this one was friendly and just wanted to look around,they were quickly removed and sent on their way with a flea in their ear.Once again though it was a 747-400,it was a night sector,it was a male african pax from W/T,and there was one cabin crew member on duty,this new incident begs the question is the 744s f/d vunerable at night,with only one cabin crew on duty who may not be able to monitor who comes up the stairs all the times(may in the toilet etc) or who is moving around the cabin and should not be there.
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This has just sparked a thought.
I cant't navigate most airports without the local password even though I wear an accredited ID.
There have been times I could not board my aeroplane because I am not "local".
How outrageous then that any plonker with malign or otherwise intent can easily enter the average UK registered flight deck.
The same is true if I want to visit my terrestial headquarters. In fact I have to get an escort to see my boss.
But my management think it is Ok for any Tom, Dick or Harry to spend time in my office because it is "good public relations".
I cant't navigate most airports without the local password even though I wear an accredited ID.
There have been times I could not board my aeroplane because I am not "local".
How outrageous then that any plonker with malign or otherwise intent can easily enter the average UK registered flight deck.
The same is true if I want to visit my terrestial headquarters. In fact I have to get an escort to see my boss.
But my management think it is Ok for any Tom, Dick or Harry to spend time in my office because it is "good public relations".
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hmm...i can see the prob...our 744 upperdeck toilets are right up front next to the F/D door and behind the movie screen...if the CC were to prevent/guard against such incidents, they would have to escort every pax going to the loo...
as a curiousity, how many of you lock your F/D door thru out the flight?
HS
as a curiousity, how many of you lock your F/D door thru out the flight?
HS
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I agree. Lock the flight deck door...the facility is available and once locked it is very difficult to get in.
BA's problem is not helped by the Flight Deck Crew's insistance on tying a sock across the door lock! (Prevents the resting crew from being distrubed)
I have openly removed the offending sock on several occaisions in front of crews and have almost been physically ejected from "My Flight Deck".
BA's problem is not helped by the Flight Deck Crew's insistance on tying a sock across the door lock! (Prevents the resting crew from being distrubed)
I have openly removed the offending sock on several occaisions in front of crews and have almost been physically ejected from "My Flight Deck".
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Well who on earth do you think you are interfering with the aircraft like this. How do you think the crew feel when they see you (a passenger) fiddling around with the FD door? The sock serves a purpose- to stop the (unlocked) FD door banging right next to the bunk unit. Quite simply the sock has no relevance to FD security and it is non of your business! If you have an issue about the philosophy of LOCKING the door, that is another matter. The BA view is that any malicious intruder can quite simply gain access anyway. It is Cabin Crew involvement that can stop it. I concur with this as a 747 pilot of 16 years.
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Read his profile, Notso.
I know who he is, you know who he is, indeed the whole of our company know who he is... but I've still removed it for privacy's sake! Hope you don't mind!
Sick Squid, (in moderator role, not union agitator role!)
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I know who he is, you know who he is, indeed the whole of our company know who he is... but I've still removed it for privacy's sake! Hope you don't mind! Sick Squid, (in moderator role, not union agitator role!)
[This message has been edited by Sick Squid (edited 18 April 2001).]
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Shhhh! Never know who drops in here-I know we have some traitors present!
This has gotta be that dork Bus411....'the pilots friend!' haha. Too many wind up merchants- I am inclined to think we must go elsewhere where we are just professional aviators.
This has gotta be that dork Bus411....'the pilots friend!' haha. Too many wind up merchants- I am inclined to think we must go elsewhere where we are just professional aviators.
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Notso..
In your 16 years of flying you must of seen many things that you had to question. Well in my 38 years of aircraft maintenance I too have seen many questionable things.
I will make no futher comment on this very emotive issue. I will leave it to the individual to draw his or her own conclusions.
Somebody thinks they have identified me. To prove it what is the 3rd letter of my surname? Get it right I'll be honest and confirm it.
In your 16 years of flying you must of seen many things that you had to question. Well in my 38 years of aircraft maintenance I too have seen many questionable things.
I will make no futher comment on this very emotive issue. I will leave it to the individual to draw his or her own conclusions.
Somebody thinks they have identified me. To prove it what is the 3rd letter of my surname? Get it right I'll be honest and confirm it.
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Just curious-is the sock removal thing a management instruction or are you guys just doing it independently? After the NBO incident it seemed to be missing on any a/c ex. LHR though increasingly less so now. BTW, it's a complete waste of time (yours & ours) as we'll just replace it! It's either that or no rest.
Just curious-is the sock removal thing a management instruction or are you guys just doing it independently? After the NBO incident it seemed to be missing on any a/c ex. LHR though increasingly less so now. BTW, it's a complete waste of time (yours & ours) as we'll just replace it! It's either that or no rest.
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I was on the '400 with BA for over 10 years. The sound in the bunk area of the flight deck door being opened was akin to a gun going off! It was acknowledged by our management as a problem but a solution was not and is not forthcoming except the aforementioned sock.
The sock apart from preventing the door being shut securely looks terrible as well!
I was on the '400 with BA for over 10 years. The sound in the bunk area of the flight deck door being opened was akin to a gun going off! It was acknowledged by our management as a problem but a solution was not and is not forthcoming except the aforementioned sock.
The sock apart from preventing the door being shut securely looks terrible as well!