Glasgow Airport - JET 2 smoke in cockpit - emergency services called
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I do wonder how much of the "total panic" is caused by people not listening to the safety demo and not having a clue what to do, or getting in the way of those who did listen and are trying to get out. One report suggests the crew had to shout at people to leave their cases onboard...is that really where peoples priorities lie when evacuating an aircraft? 
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The noise is the EVAC alarm, it's in most airlines standard operating procedures to turn it off during the evacuation, so that other commands can be heard. I don't work for Jet2, so can't say whether their SOPs are different.
Rest assured my comment would have applied if the ac had been leaving STN LBA BHX or anywhere else. ALC was my local airport for 5 years - the standing joke at work for anyone on a Fri AM flight was "How many Elvis's?"
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Really, why do we bother?
This whole quote, in particular the bold bit, just highlights how ignorant and stupid passengers can be. Take a bow Jean and Gordon you are utterly deficient. Cretins.
From the Scotsman
This whole quote, in particular the bold bit, just highlights how ignorant and stupid passengers can be. Take a bow Jean and Gordon you are utterly deficient. Cretins.
From the Scotsman
Jean Walker said: “It was terrifying. We were about to take off and the plane started shuddering and there were lights flashing and smoke. The crew started shouting ‘get out, get out’.
“We were sitting at the wing, and the girl opened the door and we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there.
“There were about eight or ten of us on the wing and I was saying people couldn’t come out because there was no chute.
“Two girls jumped off the wing on to the ground, they were OK.
“Other people got hurt coming down the chutes, they were inflated but the hostesses were just shouting ‘jump, jump’ and people were just banging into each other at the bottom and about four people were taken to hospital.”
Her husband Gordon added: “The stewardesses were panicking and shouting at people to go one way, then the other.
“We were sitting at the wing, and the girl opened the door and we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there.
“There were about eight or ten of us on the wing and I was saying people couldn’t come out because there was no chute.
“Two girls jumped off the wing on to the ground, they were OK.
“Other people got hurt coming down the chutes, they were inflated but the hostesses were just shouting ‘jump, jump’ and people were just banging into each other at the bottom and about four people were taken to hospital.”
Her husband Gordon added: “The stewardesses were panicking and shouting at people to go one way, then the other.
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so many classist comments to denigrate the average passenger on a low cost holiday flight.. Would you like them to apologise for being a paying customer and keeping you/us in a job (I say us even being in ATC, all part of the same system)
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"we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there"
It's unbelievable how stupid people are.
It's unbelievable how stupid people are.
I've listened to many safety briefings but can't recall any that said not to use the wing exit (look for your nearest) or explaining how to get down?
Only five days ago people broke legs jumping off the wing..
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“There were about eight or ten of us on the wing and I was saying people couldn’t come out because there was no chute.
There is a way down to the ground and if they'd bothered to even look at the safety card they would have seen this. If the were sitting in the emergency exit row they would have been briefed by the cabin crew.
I would rather have a broken leg than take a breath of something that could kill me.
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Originally Posted by edi_local
One report suggests the crew had to shout at people to leave their cases onboard...is that really where peoples priorities lie when evacuating an aircraft?
That said, it's all very well the 'avios' on here snorting derision at the 'stupid' pax. Rolling eyes and pointing fingers at how daft passengers are isn't going to increase safety is it. Accepting that people behave as they do (and probably always will), especially in groups, even moreso in panic, and working in systems to minimise the threats caused by that behaviour is what is needed.
If they'd all burned to death because of half of them trying to get their duty-frees, would this place be filled more with comments about to avert a repeat or comments about how moronic they all were, with references to Darwin awards etc ?
"we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there"
It's unbelievable how stupid people are.
It's unbelievable how stupid people are.
.As a regular traveller on a shorthaul type "down the back" I know the standard safety contains a lot of talk about slides and removing high heeled shoes
but the brief for the overwing exits "stops" at the point you've got out of the exit..... Now being crew, albeit on another type, I know what to expect when out on the wing...obvious isn't it? That in mind I've just done a straw poll of my family, who also occasionally travel on the same type, and guess what? I've had various answers, at least one of which was "there must be a slide"
.......So as well as kicking myself for not making sure my family have been adequately briefed in that past I also have to ask: Is it just possible some safety briefs need a rethink and a rewrite?
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I'm going to wander in as an observer - before wandering out.
Every time there is one of these evacuations there are comments about dumb passengers not listening to the briefing, and taking stuff that they should not.
If these really are issues perhaps the industry should change the way that it works, as the safety briefing clearly is not working in its current form.
As it is everyone got out, with few injuries, so perhaps its not such a problem.
Every time there is one of these evacuations there are comments about dumb passengers not listening to the briefing, and taking stuff that they should not.
If these really are issues perhaps the industry should change the way that it works, as the safety briefing clearly is not working in its current form.
As it is everyone got out, with few injuries, so perhaps its not such a problem.
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PAX EVAC EXPERTISE
We crew have allowed an attitude to develop over many years that it is not cool to read the safety instructions, where no chute would be shown for the wing exits, and talking during the demo is ok
Can you recall anyone seated near you looking about for the nearest exit
When did you ever see a pax feel under a seat for the life jacket when told there is one present of pull a lap strap tight
Passengers feel that we must look after them and they have no part to play in safety, it is perhaps an offspring of the teachers should teach us we have no duty to learn mentality.
It is not just the young. Some years ago a moderately middle aged and rather stuck up male pax carelessly opened an overhead locker causing a case to fall on my head. When I asked him to be more careful and perhaps listen to the cabin crew warning about this danger he said stop making a silly fuss it was an accident, obvously he had no involvement
Can you recall anyone seated near you looking about for the nearest exit
When did you ever see a pax feel under a seat for the life jacket when told there is one present of pull a lap strap tight
Passengers feel that we must look after them and they have no part to play in safety, it is perhaps an offspring of the teachers should teach us we have no duty to learn mentality.
It is not just the young. Some years ago a moderately middle aged and rather stuck up male pax carelessly opened an overhead locker causing a case to fall on my head. When I asked him to be more careful and perhaps listen to the cabin crew warning about this danger he said stop making a silly fuss it was an accident, obvously he had no involvement
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anengineer is totally correct. The "System" and by that I mean regulators, operators and manufacturers, has to spend more time considering events surrounding evacuations. It is clear that as flight crew we have very little time to acquire sufficient information to justify an evacuation yet with a possible fire, we may feel we have to react without out it. Until we are given more guidance we will have more (just like in the sim.) Smoke-Stop-Evacuate situations. I think we should spend more to see if what we do now is really a sensible way of doing things.
Then we must seriously look at passenger briefings and passenger behavior - under stress. I believe most airline passenger briefings are a complete waste of everybody's time and effort. Nobody listens for a start and secondly, the briefings lack presence and honesty. Maybe we should consider "bite sized" briefings just before the event? Do passengers really need a seat belt briefing? Is the oxygen mask briefing correct? And so on...
Then we have to consider passenger actions when it all goes wrong. What is clear is that when it does wrong, the average cabin is split into about three camps. Those who are going to live, those who'll probably die and those in the middle. Like for example, the passengers in the hijacked Ethiopian 767 who inflated their life jackets before the aircraft ditched. Here, if we are to believe a lady who found herself on the wing of the Glasgow 737, she considered that there was no way down because there was no slide. But what did the safety card show show, the one which she was asked to read before departure? Also, she went to say that two girls jumped down without injury. But she's on an aircraft wing after having be told to evacuate - just what do have to do to make this lady jump? Unless planning takes into account (or totally ignores) the "lady on the SPT onimbus," we'll not have a worthy evacuation system. I say worthy because we have to have a system that is built for the majority of passengers - because if we build a system robust enough to protect the dumbest and least able we won't be able to go flying. And this is where we must be honest. And finally, we must be totally clear that not every person will be able to evacuate an aircraft a certain amount of time, which may have consequences!
In passing, we should also consider that we will have what might be described as "useful" people in the cabin as well. The guys who were helping fellow passengers to clear the bottom of the slides in Glasgow were doing remarkable job. Considering a total lack of briefing (which takes to the above) and preparation and the fact that they believe they were close to a burning aircraft, they did an excellent job.
Which leads us on to our last line of defence - Cabin Crew. It sounds like this crew did a good job. They shouted at the passengers to get out and carried on doing so until they did. It looks like all the doors were opened and all the slides we deployed. They should be congratulated.
Finally lawyers - what do we have to do before this corrosive scum damage our lives more than they are already doing?
Then we must seriously look at passenger briefings and passenger behavior - under stress. I believe most airline passenger briefings are a complete waste of everybody's time and effort. Nobody listens for a start and secondly, the briefings lack presence and honesty. Maybe we should consider "bite sized" briefings just before the event? Do passengers really need a seat belt briefing? Is the oxygen mask briefing correct? And so on...
Then we have to consider passenger actions when it all goes wrong. What is clear is that when it does wrong, the average cabin is split into about three camps. Those who are going to live, those who'll probably die and those in the middle. Like for example, the passengers in the hijacked Ethiopian 767 who inflated their life jackets before the aircraft ditched. Here, if we are to believe a lady who found herself on the wing of the Glasgow 737, she considered that there was no way down because there was no slide. But what did the safety card show show, the one which she was asked to read before departure? Also, she went to say that two girls jumped down without injury. But she's on an aircraft wing after having be told to evacuate - just what do have to do to make this lady jump? Unless planning takes into account (or totally ignores) the "lady on the SPT onimbus," we'll not have a worthy evacuation system. I say worthy because we have to have a system that is built for the majority of passengers - because if we build a system robust enough to protect the dumbest and least able we won't be able to go flying. And this is where we must be honest. And finally, we must be totally clear that not every person will be able to evacuate an aircraft a certain amount of time, which may have consequences!
In passing, we should also consider that we will have what might be described as "useful" people in the cabin as well. The guys who were helping fellow passengers to clear the bottom of the slides in Glasgow were doing remarkable job. Considering a total lack of briefing (which takes to the above) and preparation and the fact that they believe they were close to a burning aircraft, they did an excellent job.
Which leads us on to our last line of defence - Cabin Crew. It sounds like this crew did a good job. They shouted at the passengers to get out and carried on doing so until they did. It looks like all the doors were opened and all the slides we deployed. They should be congratulated.
Finally lawyers - what do we have to do before this corrosive scum damage our lives more than they are already doing?