Storm clouds at Servisair DUB
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Storm clouds at Servisair DUB
Storm clouds are building again at DUB.
Management and SIPTU union have both issued letters to staff today after a meeting yesterday broke up without agreement on any of the points that were raised.
A ballot on future action has been called for next week, and the tone of the letters from both sides seems to suggest that another disruptive confrontation is possible. There are outstanding issues from the dispute at the end of last year, and a number of new issues that have been raised.
The present disagreement centres around the termination of the 4 on 2 off roster that was part of a company/union agreement some years ago. The company wishes to replace it with a roster that includes a period 17 days that goes 5 on 1 off 5 on 1 off 5 on.
There are other issues as well, but the present posturing and sabre rattling by both sides suggests that another damaging confrontation is looming.
Management and SIPTU union have both issued letters to staff today after a meeting yesterday broke up without agreement on any of the points that were raised.
A ballot on future action has been called for next week, and the tone of the letters from both sides seems to suggest that another disruptive confrontation is possible. There are outstanding issues from the dispute at the end of last year, and a number of new issues that have been raised.
The present disagreement centres around the termination of the 4 on 2 off roster that was part of a company/union agreement some years ago. The company wishes to replace it with a roster that includes a period 17 days that goes 5 on 1 off 5 on 1 off 5 on.
There are other issues as well, but the present posturing and sabre rattling by both sides suggests that another damaging confrontation is looming.
Delay? What delay?
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4 on 4 off is great for the staff but not so great for the employer (v. expensive) Funny how the unions always bring 4 on 4 off to the table and try to pretend its a new way forward.
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In this case, there's no "must have" as far as the union are concerend, it's more that the company have totally disregarded the agreement that's already in place, and are trying to impose the new roster without agreement from the people affected.
No one has said it must be 4 on 4 off, not even close to that yet, but what is not at all easy to cope with is 17 days with only 2 days off, and one of them is after a 14-22, with an 04 start after the day off, so that means it's only a 30 hour break overall, and there's 2 sleep periods of in theory 8 hours to come out of that time. It's bad enough making a change from late to early, (or the other way round ) when there's 2 days off, even worse when it's only one.
No one has said it must be 4 on 4 off, not even close to that yet, but what is not at all easy to cope with is 17 days with only 2 days off, and one of them is after a 14-22, with an 04 start after the day off, so that means it's only a 30 hour break overall, and there's 2 sleep periods of in theory 8 hours to come out of that time. It's bad enough making a change from late to early, (or the other way round ) when there's 2 days off, even worse when it's only one.
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Some people in this buisiness just get a P45 and told to walk, with pay in lieu of course.
End result was that some of the people that were kept then ended up working double shifts for weeks due to lack of staff!
Now, they're taking on loads of people to meet the demand, which is even higher than last summer. In the meantime, the experienced people, and there are a few, are being hammered with all the extra work, and having to watch the new (very raw) recruits like hawks to make sure they don't get hurt or worse.
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Good call.
Been there, experienced people also get laid off after having been loyal to a company for a number of years. At the end of the day the accountants have their say, 3 monkeys are better value than someone who knows what they are doing. H&S, efficiency, honesty,loyalty & motivation to get the job done, just dont seem to count any more. Aviation consultant/accountant - the only job to have and be sured to keep - Get rid of crews, Get rid of Aircraft, Get rid of handlers & then we can make a profit? What is Aviation coming to!
Been there, experienced people also get laid off after having been loyal to a company for a number of years. At the end of the day the accountants have their say, 3 monkeys are better value than someone who knows what they are doing. H&S, efficiency, honesty,loyalty & motivation to get the job done, just dont seem to count any more. Aviation consultant/accountant - the only job to have and be sured to keep - Get rid of crews, Get rid of Aircraft, Get rid of handlers & then we can make a profit? What is Aviation coming to!
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yeah Circusair has ALWAYS had a big revolving door where employees come and go as quick as a new shift comes on duty.
Speaking as someone who has seen circusair's operation on the ramp at first hand and worked in other operations too it's no wonder that there is strife between management and staff.
I've seen the van loads of circusair new and raw recruits out on stand 5 being shown around....but really its management and the way they handle their staff and equipment that needs to be changed.....
as for "how will we know if they are on strike"
hmmm well the staff on the ramp doesn't move all that quick anyways so they may as well be on strike......
Considering certain people are in management who have no knowledge of how to motivate people and get the best out of them i'm not surprised that they are up the creek without a paddle......
Now i want to know "what really happened with that high loader that hit the DAL MD11"....did it really have a total hydraulics failure??? if so how did it still manage to move forward....
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yeah Circusair has ALWAYS had a big revolving door where employees come and go as quick as a new shift comes on duty.
Speaking as someone who has seen circusair's operation on the ramp at first hand and worked in other operations too it's no wonder that there is strife between management and staff.
I've seen the van loads of circusair new and raw recruits out on stand 5 being shown around....but really its management and the way they handle their staff and equipment that needs to be changed.....
as for "how will we know if they are on strike"
hmmm well the staff on the ramp doesn't move all that quick anyways so they may as well be on strike......
Considering certain people are in management who have no knowledge of how to motivate people and get the best out of them i'm not surprised that they are up the creek without a paddle......
Now i want to know "what really happened with that high loader that hit the DAL MD11"....did it really have a total hydraulics failure??? if so how did it still manage to move forward....
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hmmm well the staff on the ramp doesn't move all that quick anyways so they may as well be on strike......
but as far as I'm concerned, the guys at the sharp end do a pretty good job most of the time. We can't help it if the airlines want a turnround in unrealistic times! A much bigger hassle is the problem of just how long it takes to get on blocks after landing, and the even longer delays waiting to push after it's all wrapped up, and it's just got even worse with the new temporary procedures in the high 30's & 40's!
Considering certain people are in management who have no knowledge of how to motivate people and get the best out of them i'm not surprised that they are up the creek without a paddle......
Now i want to know "what really happened with that high loader that hit the DAL MD11"....did it really have a total hydraulics failure??? if so how did it still manage to move forward....
If my information is correct, it seems that the manufacturer has become involved, as some of the "advertised" features re stopping failed to operate as advertised
