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Old 14th Oct 2012, 21:12
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Another MD11 Accident:

Accident: Centurion MD11 at Sao Paulo on Oct 13th 2012, left main gear collapsed during roll out
By Simon Hradecky, created Sunday, Oct 14th 2012 13:44Z, last updated Sunday, Oct 14th 2012 19:59Z

A Centurion Air Cargo McDonnell Douglas MD-11 freighter, registration N988AR performing freight flight WE-425 from Miami,FL (USA) to Sao Paulo Campinas,SP (Brazil), landed on Campinas' runway 15 at around 19:54L (22:54Z), when during roll out the aircraft settled on its left engine and wing tip after the left main gear fractured and collapsed. The aircraft came to a stop on the runway, there were no injuries, the aircraft received substantial damage and was disabled on the runway, the runway was damaged as well.

As result, the airport is estimated to remain closed until 20:00L/23:00Z Oct 14th for a period of about 24 hours.

Infraero, Brazil's Airport Operator, confirmed the left main gear collapsed.

Relevant NOTAMs:
J1186/12 - RWY 15/33 CLSD DUE TO ACFT ACCIDENT. 14 OCT 17:31 2012 UNTIL 14 OCT 23:00 2012. CREATED: 14 OCT 17:40 2012
J1185/12 - RWY 15/33 CLSD DUE TO ACFT ACCIDENT. 14 OCT 08:59 2012 UNTIL 14 OCT 18:00 2012. CREATED: 14 OCT 09:02 2012

Metars:
SBKP 140100Z 12019KT 9999 FEW018 BKN045 BKN090 16/13 Q1020
SBKP 140000Z 12021KT 9999 FEW018 BKN045 BKN090 17/13 Q1020
SBKP 132300Z 13020KT 9999 FEW018 SCT045 BKN090 17/13 Q1020
SBKP 132200Z 13021G31KT 9999 FEW018 SCT045 BKN090 18/13 Q1020
SBKP 132100Z 14018KT 9999 FEW018 SCT030 BKN090 18/14 Q1020
SBKP 132000Z 13020KT 9999 FEW025 SCT030 BKN090 19/14 Q1020
SBKP 131900Z 13021KT 9999 FEW025 BKN090 21/14 Q1019
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Old 14th Oct 2012, 22:23
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Centurion Air Cargo McDonnell Douglas MD-11 freighter, registration N988AR performing freight flight WE-425 from Miami,FL (USA) to Sao Paulo Campinas,SP (Brazil), landed on Campinas' runway 15 at around 19:54L (22:54Z), when during roll out the aircraft settled on its left engine and wing tip after the left main gear fractured and collapsed. The aircraft came to a stop on the runway, there were no injuries, the aircraft received substantial damage and was disabled on the runway, the runway was damaged as well
Ok chicken or the eqq came first? Hard landing damaging gear or gear failure damaging wing.
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Old 14th Oct 2012, 22:28
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did the gear collapse or sever the spar and pillow box?

the actual gear leg is impossibly robust.....
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Old 14th Oct 2012, 22:38
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Not the first, air afrique a300 in dakar did the same.
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Old 14th Oct 2012, 22:50
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Photos and more (AV Herald)

Posts there claim this is the same airframe that suffered substantial damage during a hard landing in Montevideo a couple years ago, and that this was a 'bounced landing with gear collapse on third bounce'.

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Old 14th Oct 2012, 22:56
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Originally Posted by Fullblast View Post
Not the first, air afrique a300 in dakar did the same.
All very well but Stilton is only interested in MD-11 accidents
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Old 14th Oct 2012, 23:03
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Just remind us again, Flightmech, of those 200 MD11's built how many have ended up with landing gears pointing in other directions that it should upon landing?

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Old 15th Oct 2012, 01:00
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Just remind us again, Flightmech, of those 200 MD11's built how many have ended up with landing gears pointing in other directions that it should upon landing?
and how should we interpret this, that the aircraft is below standards or that the pilots are below standards?

I doubt that aircraft will be redesigned
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All very well but Stilton is only interested in MD-11 accidents
Only??? Where does he say so? Anyway, my post might be not 100% related, yours surely isn't.
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Old 15th Oct 2012, 01:48
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and that this was a 'bounced landing with gear collapse on third bounce'
I caught that comment from pilot holding short.

Significant damage to runway as well.
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Old 15th Oct 2012, 08:37
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Damn Bone that was heavy, probably true. Another probability (suspect fact) after 3 bounces (experienced one high bounce in a 10-30) the aircraft lands with a stalled wing resulting in major stress to said gear. This aircraft is designed to be flown by competent pilots. It is a demanding aircraft and a fine one at that. The margin for error is slim, the drivers have to be on their game prepared for a G/A before the first bounce. I have observed thousands of landings as a back seat driver in the MD-11, Mostly freight and hundreds into VCP as a freight dog MX rep. The sorry fact I see is modern pilots that enjoy automation can not respect this aircraft.
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Old 15th Oct 2012, 09:03
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It has been posted on a md11 ex-crew social network (mostly brazilians), a witness report of a pilot holding short on runway 15 stating it was a bounced landing and that the gear colapsed on the second or third bounce.

Let's wait a bit more for further details.

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Old 15th Oct 2012, 14:13
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Whatever the reason, at least they walked away from this one. Some were not so lucky.
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Old 15th Oct 2012, 19:37
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I can't believe that there are still people out there who are blaming pilots! How many other commercial aircraft (let alone widebodies) have ended up on their backs - or with MLG collapsing on landing like a pack of cards - in the time that countless MD11 airframes have been lost?

The aircraft is a flying deathtrap and it is only a question of time before we see another Fedex Narita type event as long as it keeps flying.
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I do not care what type of machine you are operating, they all come with an operators manual. Come on? Bounced 3 times??? The operators manual for this machine does not expect it to work properly under these conditions, clearly human judgment WAS at fault! This is not speculation. Like I said above in my personal largest bounce we stalled--- the aircraft is in the air and not flying any more!!! As is typical one wing stalls first placing the FULL weight of the aircraft on 2 to 4 tyres and one out of the 3 gear the AIRCRAFT IS DESIGNED TO LAND ON!!!!!!!! A simple comparison, driving on the interstate and an accident happens just in front of you at 6 car lengths and you are in a car, you hit your brakes and avoid, If you were in a fully loaded semi at 6 car lengths all hell would break loose thus you operate the semi with greater distance and care. Operate your machine with competence!
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While blaming operators for their lack of competence might not be factually wrong, it arguably contributes little to preventing future accidents, and an airplane involved in more accidents of a certain kind than comparable models arguably does have a design issue.

Some thoughts on the subject worth reading IMHO:
People or systems? To blame is human. The fix is to engineer

Disclaimer: this post is not directed at any prior author, after all it is a recurring discussion, see link.
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Grounded27 - given that there are relatively few MD11s in operation compared to other types, I am sure that other more prevalent types (such as the 737) have equally or less competent pilots as/ than the worst of any MD11 crews. As far as I am aware though no other type has suffered any, never mind as many airframe losses as a result of bounced/hard landings. How many 757s have ended up on their back or 777s lost their MLG on landing??
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Old 15th Oct 2012, 23:08
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Runway

Is the runway still closed?
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reopened as from 1735 local time Monday 15th. over 400 flights cancelled due to accident.
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