Aurela (Operating for Monarch) off the runway at BHX
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BBC News24 presenter asked the question 'Why didn't the pilot just put the engines into reverse?'.
Presumably this is just a case of reversing the terminals on the starter motors.
Presumably this is just a case of reversing the terminals on the starter motors.
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Why is Aurela of Lithuania operating for MON
Has Weaver managed to get a job flying 737s?
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The Daily Mails Coverage of the incident is hilarious, it would be interesting to know who their "aviation" source was
Terrified tourists evacuated from plane after it overshot the runway and skidded onto grass at Birmingham Airport | Mail Online
Terrified tourists evacuated from plane after it overshot the runway and skidded onto grass at Birmingham Airport | Mail Online
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The Daily Mails Coverage of the incident is hilarious, it would be interesting to know who their "aviation" source was
Terrified tourists evacuated from plane after it overshot the runway and skidded onto grass at Birmingham Airport | Mail Online
Terrified tourists evacuated from plane after it overshot the runway and skidded onto grass at Birmingham Airport | Mail Online
Though having flown Monarch several times to the Canaries, and viewed them as a fairly premium airline similar to, say, Thompson/Tui, what in the hell were they thinking by leasing shonky Lithuanian sheds??? How does that even begin to fit their airline profile??
Only the Mail could manage to combine
"Terrified tourists evacuated"
and
"There was no shouting, no panicking - people were just laughing. It was all very British."
in the same article.
"Terrified tourists evacuated"
and
"There was no shouting, no panicking - people were just laughing. It was all very British."
in the same article.
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Just back from BHX collecting my daughter who was on the Monarch service from Nice. She took a pic within 30 seconds of the plane coming to a stop which appears to show the slats not deployed. Is it unusual for the slats to be retracted so quickly in a situation such as this?
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Re The Daily Mail's article, was this actually a hilarious and ironic self parody perhaps?
'It is lucky nobody got hurt - if the plane was coming in at speed, it's a dangerous way to come into land.
Am amazed that a Company like Monarch could have a Ratner moment like this.
If I had booked Monarch (an airline which I hold in high esteem) and a Lithuanian aircraft turned up I would not be at all impressed. I gather this isn't just an ad hoc sub charter due an a/c outage but a planned used of another operator.
When will these Companies understand that if you leave operational decisions to accountants based purely on the bottom line they surely will end up in the mud or even worse?
If I had booked Monarch (an airline which I hold in high esteem) and a Lithuanian aircraft turned up I would not be at all impressed. I gather this isn't just an ad hoc sub charter due an a/c outage but a planned used of another operator.
When will these Companies understand that if you leave operational decisions to accountants based purely on the bottom line they surely will end up in the mud or even worse?
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Just back from BHX collecting my daughter who was on the Monarch service from Nice. She took a pic within 30 seconds of the plane coming to a stop which appears to show the slats not deployed. Is it unusual for the slats to be retracted so quickly in a situation such as this?
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Why does everyone seem to be so shocked at Monarch daring to use a Lithuanian based airline?
I've dealt with Aurela many times, and while not the finest aircraft in the sky they do the job and usually do it well. Interior wise they aren't too bad, at least not for a -300.
Virtually all airlines, certainly UK charters at least, sub-charter in various aircraft, even BA have been doing it recently.
I've dealt with Aurela many times, and while not the finest aircraft in the sky they do the job and usually do it well. Interior wise they aren't too bad, at least not for a -300.
Virtually all airlines, certainly UK charters at least, sub-charter in various aircraft, even BA have been doing it recently.
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I'm interested in this one, as I was on this aircraft a couple of times last month.
Firstly flagging up that I am pax, not aviation in any way.
From the perspective of what I paid for it was a rubbish product, and I have written to Monarch to express my dissatisfaction. Although there is no reason that an old well maintained aircraft should present any greater degree of risk its not impressive to turn up and find a 24 yr old 300 that has seen better days. That's a separate matter.
I had no problem with the operation of the flight which from my limited pax perspective seemed fine.
Have I got anything to say that is relevant to this incident? I don't think so, except to note that on the flights I was on reverse was never used on landing. Whether this was operational or because it was inoperative I couldn't say. I've no idea whether you could defer reverser issues (if they were present) this long anyway as it was a month ago when I travelled.
Firstly flagging up that I am pax, not aviation in any way.
From the perspective of what I paid for it was a rubbish product, and I have written to Monarch to express my dissatisfaction. Although there is no reason that an old well maintained aircraft should present any greater degree of risk its not impressive to turn up and find a 24 yr old 300 that has seen better days. That's a separate matter.
I had no problem with the operation of the flight which from my limited pax perspective seemed fine.
Have I got anything to say that is relevant to this incident? I don't think so, except to note that on the flights I was on reverse was never used on landing. Whether this was operational or because it was inoperative I couldn't say. I've no idea whether you could defer reverser issues (if they were present) this long anyway as it was a month ago when I travelled.
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I've dealt with Aurela many times, and while not the finest aircraft in the sky they do the job and usually do it well. Interior wise they aren't too bad, at least not for a -300.
Virtually all airlines, certainly UK charters at least, sub-charter in various aircraft, even BA have been doing it recently.
Virtually all airlines, certainly UK charters at least, sub-charter in various aircraft, even BA have been doing it recently.
Have you ever had a look behind the curtain concerning airline culture, flight crew training, flight crew standards?
Small airlines can't hardly compete in these safety related areas.
Okay, forget about AF....
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She took a pic within 30 seconds of the plane coming to a stop which appears to show the slats not deployed. Is it unusual for the slats to be retracted so quickly in a situation such as this?
On the B737 have had at least one case where a cable to nose wheel steering failed which stopped us going anywhere - but we avoided the grass - just one possibility?
From Wiki:-
On 12 July 2012, Monarch announced that it was to wet-lease two B737-300s from Aurela and Small Planet Airlines as well as two B737-400s from Air Explore and Air Italy from the end of July to be able to offer additional flights during the peak leisure travel season in the UK.
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