AMR pilot demands information from ATC about terror threat
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"Bravo to this pilot, not letting security theatre get between him and the safety of his passengers!"
Apologies if I'm being thick here but I don't understand this post..
Are you saying the passengers were in danger if they remained on board?
I mean there are emergency vehicles in attendance and the pilot is given an alternative, (and possibly less compromising to the operation), means of communication and he refuses??
Sorry guys - not with the majority of you on this one.
Yeah,yeah SLF etc.. whatever.
Apologies if I'm being thick here but I don't understand this post..
Are you saying the passengers were in danger if they remained on board?
I mean there are emergency vehicles in attendance and the pilot is given an alternative, (and possibly less compromising to the operation), means of communication and he refuses??
Sorry guys - not with the majority of you on this one.
Yeah,yeah SLF etc.. whatever.
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Don't worry SLF, I would have called that phone number, but I can understand the initial frustration of this captain. Funny thing is we don't get to hear how the story developed after the 60 second ultimatum from el capitano. Did he call anyway? Did the ATC-lady pass on some more info?
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I don't get what information would have been so compromising that you can't get it over the air. Bad guys monitoring the frequency? So what? Some of you have watched Die Hard too many times.
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To SLFguy,
Let's put it in a way you may understand.
You are told there is a bomb in your car - would you stay and sit in the car, or would get the
out and as far away from it as you could?
I know what I'd do.
Let's put it in a way you may understand.
You are told there is a bomb in your car - would you stay and sit in the car, or would get the
out and as far away from it as you could?I know what I'd do.
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The pilot should realize the bad guys could be monitoring the frequency too.
Besides, if there's an alleged bomb on board just keep the pax on board until it goes off. Can't have them deplaned and wandering all over the place, won't do at all.
Besides, if there's an alleged bomb on board just keep the pax on board until it goes off. Can't have them deplaned and wandering all over the place, won't do at all.
I don't think you people realize the regulatory and statutory ramifications of a couple hundred people exiting onto airport grounds without several badges covered with some unknown hieroglyphs, without ever watching a 90 minute safety video and perhaps the worst offense possible to humankind, no safety vest.
Even ignoring the above, there is also the enviromental threat of disturbing the burrow of the spotted winged gopher tortoise no doubt spooning his mate during his once in a decade mating cycle.
Seriously, you people are anarchists as is this brigand Captain
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It's not important who is listening. What is important are the lives of the passengers. So quite reasonably, the captain wanted know more about the threat so he could decide wether or not to evacuate.
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I don't think you people realize the regulatory and statutory ramifications of a couple hundred people exiting onto airport grounds without several badges covered with some unknown hieroglyphs, without ever watching a 90 minute safety video and perhaps the worst offense possible to humankind, no safety vest.
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"To SLFguy,
Let's put it in a way you may understand.
You are told there is a bomb in your car - would you stay and sit in the car, or would get the out and as far away from it as you could?
I know what I'd do. "
My apologies, I didn't realise he had been informed there was a bomb on board..
Oh wait, neither do you..
Let's put it in a way you may understand.
You are told there is a bomb in your car - would you stay and sit in the car, or would get the out and as far away from it as you could?
I know what I'd do. "
My apologies, I didn't realise he had been informed there was a bomb on board..
Oh wait, neither do you..
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They never did give any info on the freq. Not long after the quoted exchange either the company or folks on the ground got in contact with him. All communications after this were normal or even less stressed than JFK normal..
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My apologies, I didn't realise he had been informed there was a bomb on board...Oh wait, neither do you..
This shouldn't be so hard to figure out, even for a nonpilot.
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Ahhh...assumptions....now what did we learn about assumptions?
Look, I don't know the details, but imagine what would have happened if this captain assumed there was a bomb on board and evacuated 200 people, whilst the authorities on the ground were maybe just a bit slow in deciding how to deal with an outrageous claim of terrorists in the wheel well. It would have looked mighty silly on both sides, that's for sure!
Look, I don't know the details, but imagine what would have happened if this captain assumed there was a bomb on board and evacuated 200 people, whilst the authorities on the ground were maybe just a bit slow in deciding how to deal with an outrageous claim of terrorists in the wheel well. It would have looked mighty silly on both sides, that's for sure!
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I don't think you people realize the regulatory and statutory ramifications of a couple hundred people exiting onto airport grounds without several badges covered with some unknown hieroglyphs, without ever watching a 90 minute safety video and perhaps the worst offense possible to humankind, no safety vest.
Even ignoring the above, there is also the enviromental threat of disturbing the burrow of the spotted winged gopher tortoise no doubt spooning his mate during his once in a decade mating cycle.
Seriously, you people are anarchists as is this brigand Captain
Even ignoring the above, there is also the enviromental threat of disturbing the burrow of the spotted winged gopher tortoise no doubt spooning his mate during his once in a decade mating cycle.
Seriously, you people are anarchists as is this brigand Captain
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IF it were so darn dangerous to let people run around on the tarmac, then there wouldn't be slides to allow these people off the plane.
In the good old days with the DC9 and 727 one would use the onboard stairs. Now, there is no choice but the slides.
All airline pilots are now trained to avoid an UNCOMMANDED evacuation as there could be a problem with someone walking into an engine and coming out as hamburger.
The ground staff should have been read for an evacuation...and oh...if it had been vital to maintain radio silence, the ground staff could have plugged into the interphone system used to control pushback. OR as a last resort, had the pilot open the DV window and shouted to him.
Now, I don't even know what kind of plane is involved as my computer is old and I am going only on the transcript. But come on.
Some of you may remember a term used in security training...I won't even repeat it now. But the BOSS of security on the plane is the pilot in command. There is a ground boss too, but he has to work with the pilot...he might offer ideas but its up to the man on the scene...in the cockpit, what to do.
In the good old days with the DC9 and 727 one would use the onboard stairs. Now, there is no choice but the slides.
All airline pilots are now trained to avoid an UNCOMMANDED evacuation as there could be a problem with someone walking into an engine and coming out as hamburger.
The ground staff should have been read for an evacuation...and oh...if it had been vital to maintain radio silence, the ground staff could have plugged into the interphone system used to control pushback. OR as a last resort, had the pilot open the DV window and shouted to him.
Now, I don't even know what kind of plane is involved as my computer is old and I am going only on the transcript. But come on.
Some of you may remember a term used in security training...I won't even repeat it now. But the BOSS of security on the plane is the pilot in command. There is a ground boss too, but he has to work with the pilot...he might offer ideas but its up to the man on the scene...in the cockpit, what to do.