4 Ryanair aircraft declare fuel emergency at same time
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BOAC: Nope, don't think I did miss your point (it seemed unlikely), and you have reiterated it just as I inferred it.
You earlier posted that the mental pressure (to carry OFP fuel, among other things) was not good, and I think it is disingenous to flip between facts and ethos as it suits.
References to strange behaviour and it taking all sorts come across as school teacherly, and don't really encourage reasoned debate.
You earlier posted that the mental pressure (to carry OFP fuel, among other things) was not good, and I think it is disingenous to flip between facts and ethos as it suits.
References to strange behaviour and it taking all sorts come across as school teacherly, and don't really encourage reasoned debate.
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And you think he had any other options than make those public statements BOAC? Sometimes it's better to swallow the bitter medicine and shut the old gob as this poor chap has apparently had to do. Having read your posts for years, you come across slightly "Uppity" old boy. As for strange behavior. You are quite balanced as it does seem that you have the slightest ever chip on both shoulders. Coming off the horse every now and then and looking into the mirror is something you should think about doing.
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And you think he had any other options than make those public statements BOAC?
Everyone is at liberty to post whatever crap they like about anyone (and do). They just have to be responsible for their actions, which for some I think may be a novel concept.
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I'm not getting involved and have no idea if Built4Speed told the truth or not. I would like to point out that the legal costs of fighting Ryanair may well exceed what he can afford to pay and therefore the reason for admitting defeat. Wouldn't be the first (nor the last) legal case won or lost because one side has way more money to spend on litigation than the other side does.
Wizz kid I think BOAC has seen a lot more of the real world (as I have) than you give him credit for.
Sadly what I saw in the 60s and 70s I still see today and not just in commercial aviation.
We then blamed the poor guys who had survived the war but there is no excuse for the shysters of today bar greed and ignorance.
There are several occasions that I have bitten off my nose and many where I have kept stumm, sadly too many. Often I have had colleagues willing to sell themselves for a few shillings.....but it often comes back on them as indeed it did when my last company went bang...partly due to lack of public confidence after several fatal accidents.
When you have had close friends killed (murdered?) because of an avoidable accident then you will understand.
Sadly what I saw in the 60s and 70s I still see today and not just in commercial aviation.
We then blamed the poor guys who had survived the war but there is no excuse for the shysters of today bar greed and ignorance.
There are several occasions that I have bitten off my nose and many where I have kept stumm, sadly too many. Often I have had colleagues willing to sell themselves for a few shillings.....but it often comes back on them as indeed it did when my last company went bang...partly due to lack of public confidence after several fatal accidents.
When you have had close friends killed (murdered?) because of an avoidable accident then you will understand.
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I find the attempts to justify the telling of lies and slander quite astonishing.
If you slag off any person or organisation in public then you really must be able to justify your position.
I was always taught the well known adage:
"Before opening mouth, engage brain."
Slagging-off your own employer in public surely has to qualify for some sort of Darwin award?
If you slag off any person or organisation in public then you really must be able to justify your position.
I was always taught the well known adage:
"Before opening mouth, engage brain."
Slagging-off your own employer in public surely has to qualify for some sort of Darwin award?
Absolutely not. There is obviously something fundamentally wrong with his decision-making process. I would imagine that his future career in aviation is extremely limited.
It is indeed a very small world.
It is indeed a very small world.
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Slagging-off your own employer in public surely has to qualify for some sort of Darwin award?
Untruths etc. no issues but........
what if your employer is "unsafe" or has a bad safety culture or, or, or. Isn't it our duty to report in whichever manner we see fit?
or are some of you suggesting that you should turn a blind eye if it is the hand that feeds that is involved?
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Racedo, BOAC and JW411,
I do not know if untruths were told or not. The fact that persons have been forced to retract their statements and "admit" their lies does not mean they lied.
One thing it does mean is that Ryanair have a lot more money than them.
I do not know if untruths were told or not. The fact that persons have been forced to retract their statements and "admit" their lies does not mean they lied.
One thing it does mean is that Ryanair have a lot more money than them.
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Quite right, hval. However, since we have no way of reviewing the posts by the two posters, that is immaterial. It was established that this particular thread was incorrect and the allegations made wrong.
A suitable point to close it, and perhaps the topic itself? As far as I am concerned it is over - bar the hearing.
A suitable point to close it, and perhaps the topic itself? As far as I am concerned it is over - bar the hearing.
I do not know if untruths were told or not. The fact that persons have been forced to retract their statements and "admit" their lies does not mean they lied.
One thing it does mean is that Ryanair have a lot more money than them.
One thing it does mean is that Ryanair have a lot more money than them.
Even when it is unproven or impossible to have occurred they will still keep up an irrational view that as its Ryanair then it must be true.
If as some are suggesting that some of the people are really lying now to keep lawyers happy then at what point in time will you know truth is being told ?
Lying in court!!
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"There are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics" - Eliza Gutch (1891).
So "statistically" those with the deepest pockets will prevail, and the 'fib' or 'downright lie' will be expunged and/or bankrupted by the power/wealth of "statistics".
What happened to "truth"?
So "statistically" those with the deepest pockets will prevail, and the 'fib' or 'downright lie' will be expunged and/or bankrupted by the power/wealth of "statistics".
What happened to "truth"?
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Truth
Excellent post , the truth and MOL are infrequent bedfellows according to one judge in a documented comment about his statements on record in that case
Still his lawyers are busy getting rich and sure winning at all
Cost is the aim
Still his lawyers are busy getting rich and sure winning at all
Cost is the aim
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It takes about 10 minutes of human factors studies to come to the conclusion if a certain organizational culture contributes to safety or not. Or if one is too lazy to study, some common sense is usually adequate.
As a passenger, I won't do business with a company that never admits to be at fault. Everyone makes mistakes now and then. Safety culture is about admitting these faults and taking measures so they won't happen again.
As a passenger, I won't do business with a company that never admits to be at fault. Everyone makes mistakes now and then. Safety culture is about admitting these faults and taking measures so they won't happen again.