Skywest pilot allegedly commits suicide inside airplane
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ea...security is great.
That's why they failed to notice the Cessna taking off around 0100 hours and then crash inside the arport perimeter killing all the pax just a few months earlier. If that didn't get your attention, why would some RJ starting be so unusual?
Have you ever been to this airport?
That's why they failed to notice the Cessna taking off around 0100 hours and then crash inside the arport perimeter killing all the pax just a few months earlier. If that didn't get your attention, why would some RJ starting be so unusual? Have you ever been to this airport?
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Seen it....The perimeter int the problem. As we see, some fool entered, started and rolled with a jet airliner. Parse it how you will, security has different levels, and different radii, 'proximity' of course chuks is right, no program is perfect, so let's work on what can be done: this should have been easy to prevent, it wasn't.
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The "lock" is the knowledge required to operate a complex aircraft.
This security is more than adequate to deter an outsider.
This security is more than adequate to deter an outsider.
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Won't the CVR have a record of anything that the perp might have muttered during his ill-fated joy ride? Perhaps there may be some clue to his thoughts located there.
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You could design a start system that requires two people to turn a switch at the same time, but the switches would have to be far apart that one person couldn't reach both at the same time, much like the launchers for a nuclear weapon. In this case, you would need two fools.
You can come up with complex protocols to prevent unauthorized aircraft operations but there is always the tradeoff between security and the need for easy authorized access for routine operations including maintenance.
As someone noted on another forum, in an incident with similarities to the recent one, a mechanic stole a Lear years ago, clipped a vehicle but was able to get airborne. He also took his own life as authorities approached the plane after landing. I'm surprised someone without a pilot's license could take off and land a Lear, it's no beginner's airplane in my opinion.
Death Ends 1,600-Mile Flight Of Learjet Stolen by Mechanic - NYTimes.com
As many banks have discovered, no amount of external security can prevent insider crime. Any intelligent insider can find a way of bypassing any security measure which can be sensibly enforced.
Ignition keys for airliners, Bubba? Whatever next?
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Yes, well...
I have keys for two different aircraft types, but the keys fit the doors, not the (non-existent) ignition switches.
Anyone who watches those tacky TV mockumentaries probably knows how to use a 'slapper' to defeat a lock anyway, so that having or not having a key to any particular aircraft is a non-issue, same as the way pretty much anyone now knows how to get over a razor-wire fence using a rug.
We had a crew chief in Viet Nam take an Army RU-8D for a joyride, just once around the pattern in the middle of the night. He had a PPL single-engine, and he was seriously bored, and he wanted to show his buddies that anyone could fly one of those things, so.... He got away with that, too! The word got out that he had done it, but to track him down and give him a court-martial must have been just too much trouble.
One flight school I worked for saw a 'line boy,' all likkered up, come out in the wee hours to steal a Cessna for a joy ride. He went wazzing around for a while but then stacked it up landing on the taxiway, fortunately without seriously hurting himself or his passenger. I showed up early for work to see this pile of junk out there, when I asked the usual 'What the hell happened?' to get a lot of embarrassed mumbling as an answer, since the foolish young man was the son of one of our senior pilots.
In both cases, above, you had people with inside knowledge who failed to act responsibly, people inside a system designed to protect against outsiders. I don't think you can really say that the victims of the thefts were amiss in applying the level of security they had used; we all prefer to trust our fellow professionals. Not least, screw around with an airplane and you normally can forget having any sort of career in aviation from that point! That's a pretty powerful deterrent to anyone of sound mind, I hope.
I remember back when we did Drivers' Ed in High School; the teacher ('Those who can, do. Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach Drivers' Ed.') told us to assume that every other driver on the road wanted to kill us. He meant well, the poor thing, but if we really made that assumption then we would never take to the road! In the same way, should we re-calibrate our expectations of how our fellows in aviation shall act, given any chance to commit mayhem? No more trips to the toilet, I guess?
By the way: A big bucket of white paint and a brush were kept in the line shack ready for use if one of our aircraft had an accident. The idea was to white out the company logos before the news cameramen got there.
Anyone who watches those tacky TV mockumentaries probably knows how to use a 'slapper' to defeat a lock anyway, so that having or not having a key to any particular aircraft is a non-issue, same as the way pretty much anyone now knows how to get over a razor-wire fence using a rug.
We had a crew chief in Viet Nam take an Army RU-8D for a joyride, just once around the pattern in the middle of the night. He had a PPL single-engine, and he was seriously bored, and he wanted to show his buddies that anyone could fly one of those things, so.... He got away with that, too! The word got out that he had done it, but to track him down and give him a court-martial must have been just too much trouble.
One flight school I worked for saw a 'line boy,' all likkered up, come out in the wee hours to steal a Cessna for a joy ride. He went wazzing around for a while but then stacked it up landing on the taxiway, fortunately without seriously hurting himself or his passenger. I showed up early for work to see this pile of junk out there, when I asked the usual 'What the hell happened?' to get a lot of embarrassed mumbling as an answer, since the foolish young man was the son of one of our senior pilots.
In both cases, above, you had people with inside knowledge who failed to act responsibly, people inside a system designed to protect against outsiders. I don't think you can really say that the victims of the thefts were amiss in applying the level of security they had used; we all prefer to trust our fellow professionals. Not least, screw around with an airplane and you normally can forget having any sort of career in aviation from that point! That's a pretty powerful deterrent to anyone of sound mind, I hope.
I remember back when we did Drivers' Ed in High School; the teacher ('Those who can, do. Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach Drivers' Ed.') told us to assume that every other driver on the road wanted to kill us. He meant well, the poor thing, but if we really made that assumption then we would never take to the road! In the same way, should we re-calibrate our expectations of how our fellows in aviation shall act, given any chance to commit mayhem? No more trips to the toilet, I guess?
By the way: A big bucket of white paint and a brush were kept in the line shack ready for use if one of our aircraft had an accident. The idea was to white out the company logos before the news cameramen got there.
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I thought it was "interesting" that Delta stripped their logo from the VS while the poor smashed and likely bloody RJ was still in the parking lot.
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The FAA crashed a Sabre 80 in Liberal, Kansas back in the 1980s, ended up on a golf course off the end of the runway, first thing that was done was to paint over the FAA signs on the aircraft.
So hardly anything new or unique.
Oh, no one was hurt, except for egos.
So hardly anything new or unique.
Oh, no one was hurt, except for egos.
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The plane was damaged in the crash and will need to be repaired
Won't the CVR have a record of anything that the perp might have muttered during his ill-fated joy ride? Perhaps there may be some clue to his thoughts located there.
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Local TV obtained the security video of this incident, and carried the story on last evening's newscast: Security video shows SkyWest jet hitting St. George airport | FOX13Now.com
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The video in the above post is worth a watch. Absolutely no attempt to taxi the plane and attempt a take off.
Hits a skywalk almost instantly, then clips the terminal building and then ploughs straight into a load of cars in the car park.
Alcohol has got to be involved.
Hits a skywalk almost instantly, then clips the terminal building and then ploughs straight into a load of cars in the car park.
Alcohol has got to be involved.
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Alcohol has got to be involved.
A DC-8 cargo pilot commited suicide by jumping in front of a truck after his pregnant girfriend's body surfaced in the river back in 1989:
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - Google News Archive Search
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Not to imply any connection whatsoever, and not germaine to this discussion at all, but, because it's something that I suspect is universally familiar to the professional aviation community, I will mention it here--5 years later, USAir 427 crashed, literally only a couple of miles down the highway from the above incident.
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More money for security
The only ting that I am sure of is that the airport security industry will use this incident to find ways of increasing security to guard against this sort of thing.....and charge te industry a sky high fee for doing so.
Expect all sorts of money making antics from the security parasites in the wake of this.
Expect all sorts of money making antics from the security parasites in the wake of this.
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And hire the ilk of the same ones who work the security checkpoints...Let's face it, and this incident proves it, any number of us have the knowledge to breach security...
