Drunk SAS F/O at Stockholm Arlanda
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Sweden
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Drunk SAS F/O at Stockholm Arlanda
Just saw this news report in media.
Apparently a F/O working for SAS was doing the preflight groundcheck
when the police took him in for a routine check. The F/O apparently was found intoxicated with alcohol levels exceeding 1.0! It's the first time this happens here in Sweden since the new law was implented. Sad day for aviation even though it could have been alot worse if they hadn't caught the drunk F/O.
Pilot på Arlanda fast för flygfylla | Nyheter | Aftonbladet
Apparently a F/O working for SAS was doing the preflight groundcheck
when the police took him in for a routine check. The F/O apparently was found intoxicated with alcohol levels exceeding 1.0! It's the first time this happens here in Sweden since the new law was implented. Sad day for aviation even though it could have been alot worse if they hadn't caught the drunk F/O.
Pilot på Arlanda fast för flygfylla | Nyheter | Aftonbladet
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: world
Posts: 3,424
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I hate the term "drunk" being used in these cases. For me it implies a lot more than the reality. He was over the legal permitted limit for the job but I'd challenge "drunk". No excuse for his actions but drunk? No.
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Tellus
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Apparently SAS immediatly removed all free copies of Aftonbladet from the gates and didn't offered them onboard their flights as soon as they had learned about the article. Can't blame them, I guess 
It's a tragedy of course, you can't be feeling well if you show up drunk to a job that requires 100 % focus and attention.
It's a tragedy of course, you can't be feeling well if you show up drunk to a job that requires 100 % focus and attention.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In a far better place
Posts: 2,480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Same old story... different airline.
Solution to the problem... don't drink before flying. Another solution for the individual who can't do without his/her drink... purchaser a BAC tester at your local druggest and blow before heading off to work, take action accordinly.
Solution to the problem... don't drink before flying. Another solution for the individual who can't do without his/her drink... purchaser a BAC tester at your local druggest and blow before heading off to work, take action accordinly.
The dude was drunk, I wouldn't trust him to fly a kite. There's no "tragedy" anywhere in this story. On the contrary, glad they busted him before he climbed into the cockpit.
Last edited by PukinDog; 11th May 2012 at 20:29.
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: over there
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Spoken like someone who doesn't know the background story.
It's true that pilots should be within limits at all times. It's also quite possible that the reason behind this incidence is indeed a tragedy.
As much as people like to think of us as a plugged-in accessory to the FMC, the fact is that we are human. The bean counters are struggling to forget that fact, so don't help them along.
Maybe he's a party guy who doesn't give a damn.
Or, maybe his wife just left him.
It is a good thing he is not flying, true. That's not the same as "no tragedy here".
Your cowboy posturing is shallow and unprofessional.
It's true that pilots should be within limits at all times. It's also quite possible that the reason behind this incidence is indeed a tragedy.
As much as people like to think of us as a plugged-in accessory to the FMC, the fact is that we are human. The bean counters are struggling to forget that fact, so don't help them along.
Maybe he's a party guy who doesn't give a damn.
Or, maybe his wife just left him.
It is a good thing he is not flying, true. That's not the same as "no tragedy here".
Your cowboy posturing is shallow and unprofessional.
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: -11`
Posts: 308
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Oh, come on!
Whatever tragedy led him to the bottle, I'm sure the 100+ pax and colleagues couldn't care less. He should not have reported for duty. Period.
Another smoking hole in the ground avoided.
Whatever tragedy led him to the bottle, I'm sure the 100+ pax and colleagues couldn't care less. He should not have reported for duty. Period.
Another smoking hole in the ground avoided.
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
purchaser a BAC tester at your local druggest and blow before heading off to work, take action accordinly.
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,109
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
seat0A
Obviously you can list at least a few dozens of smoking holes made by drunk pilots at transport category aircraft controls?
Another smoking hole in the ground avoided.
Last edited by CargoOne; 12th May 2012 at 16:12.
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: north of barlu
Posts: 6,207
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
As usual the calls from some for hanging, beheading and such vengeance but without the full facts we can't be in a position to judge the guy.
While the newspapers love another drunk pilot story the truth behind the headline is usually one of human problems that lead a normaly rational guy to loose the plot and drink too much.
On the other hand the guy could have consumed the alcohol unintentionally, I could quote two cases in the UK that have stood up in court, the first orange juice with vodka in it was left in the guys refrigerator without his knowlage and he had a little as he was called out, in the other the guys drink was spiked in a hotel ( possibly by a disgruntled hotel employee) and then an anonymous phone call was made to the police.
I think that Pukindog and seat 0A might well have a rethink if the above misfortune was to happen to them.
Be clear I am no supporter of drinking and flying but I do think that the circumstances of cases like these should be examined calmly in a court of law and the appropriate action taken, NOT an Internet trial but the PPrune red necks followed by a hanging from the nearest tree.
While the newspapers love another drunk pilot story the truth behind the headline is usually one of human problems that lead a normaly rational guy to loose the plot and drink too much.
On the other hand the guy could have consumed the alcohol unintentionally, I could quote two cases in the UK that have stood up in court, the first orange juice with vodka in it was left in the guys refrigerator without his knowlage and he had a little as he was called out, in the other the guys drink was spiked in a hotel ( possibly by a disgruntled hotel employee) and then an anonymous phone call was made to the police.
I think that Pukindog and seat 0A might well have a rethink if the above misfortune was to happen to them.
Be clear I am no supporter of drinking and flying but I do think that the circumstances of cases like these should be examined calmly in a court of law and the appropriate action taken, NOT an Internet trial but the PPrune red necks followed by a hanging from the nearest tree.
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: -11`
Posts: 308
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Obviously you can list at least a few dozens of smoking holes made by drunk pilots at transport category aircraft controls?
As a profession we pilots make ourselves look utterly ridiculous if we keep on defending colleagues who show up drunk for work.
Would you be so forgiving if the surgeon who operates on your little daughter does this while being drunk? Perhaps his dog just died?
somethingclever
Spoken like someone who doesn't know the background story.
It's true that pilots should be within limits at all times. It's also quite possible that the reason behind this incidence is indeed a tragedy.
As much as people like to think of us as a plugged-in accessory to the FMC, the fact is that we are human. The bean counters are struggling to forget that fact, so don't help them along.
Maybe he's a party guy who doesn't give a damn. Or, maybe his wife just left him.
It is a good thing he is not flying, true. That's not the same as "no tragedy here".
Your cowboy posturing is shallow and unprofessional.
Like it or not, that CPL or ATPL says you're held to a higher standard, and quite frankly it's asinine to consider doing so as "cowboy posturing" or "unprofessional".
Go "be deep" with him in counseling if you'd like. My sympathy ends where the flight line begins, and every passenger on that aircarft have lives just as worthy.
Like Seat 0A points out, would you let your loved one or yourself go under the knife of a surgeon who shows up to work on you 3 or 4 times the legal alcohol limit of what his profession allows to the point he'd be arrested for drunk driving? The anesthesiologist? Are you going to care that he's sad because his dog died or his wife left him? Get a grip kiddo.
Join Date: Aug 1998
Location: Europe
Posts: 156
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wake up
Of course we dont want our family being operated on by drunk surgeons.
But, what about fatigue? I can tell you that fatigued pilots are a much bigger problem than intoxicated pilots. I am not excusing the actions in question, but it seems to me that the public(news services) focuses on the wrong issues. I have yet to see alcohol being a contributing factor in an accident. Fatigue has already been mentioned as a contributing factor in accidents.
I am glad this pilot got stopped, but I am worried about the tired pilot on the flight deck. And that is an everyday occurence.
But, what about fatigue? I can tell you that fatigued pilots are a much bigger problem than intoxicated pilots. I am not excusing the actions in question, but it seems to me that the public(news services) focuses on the wrong issues. I have yet to see alcohol being a contributing factor in an accident. Fatigue has already been mentioned as a contributing factor in accidents.
I am glad this pilot got stopped, but I am worried about the tired pilot on the flight deck. And that is an everyday occurence.
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 224
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I am betting its not uncommon for surgeons to work after a big night out, Im betting in excess of the limits imposed on aircrew! Why is the limit lower for engineers or ATC than it is for pilots? Surely it should be a limit for all personel? Right or wrong, I dont think I have ever heard of an accident caused by drunk crew. The closest I can remember was an american who had a coke problem that killed the singer alia.
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Denmark
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I would not like to have my daughter being operated on by a drunk surgeon. Therefore it is good that the F/O was caught before he got to fly. He should not have reported for duty. I also think the suspension is appropriate. There may have been a tragedy in the pilot's life and a year off might give him time to sort this. Maybe he is an alcoholic, which is a vicious disease, and a year off might be exactly what he needs to get treated and back on track. So, after a year, and when he is sober and sorted, I might absolutely want to fly with him. I also would be okay to have my daughter operated on by a surgeon, who, after a year's trouble, has come back on track. Life sometimes comes in the way of flying and while it is so, one needs to be grounded. But after that, I see no reason why one should not fly again.
Last edited by Bank_Left; 13th May 2012 at 00:31. Reason: Spelling
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: over there
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Caring about the background story ends when he decides to put on a uniform and exercise his CPL or ATPL at the controls with paying pax in back when he's not sober.
Like it or not, that CPL or ATPL says you're held to a higher standard, and quite frankly it's asinine to consider doing so as "cowboy posturing" or "unprofessional".
Go "be deep" with him in counseling if you'd like. My sympathy ends where the flight line begins, and every passenger on that aircarft have lives just as worthy.
Like Seat 0A points out, would you let your loved one or yourself go under the knife of a surgeon who shows up to work on you 3 or 4 times the legal alcohol limit of what his profession allows to the point he'd be arrested for drunk driving? The anesthesiologist? Are you going to care that he's sad because his dog died or his wife left him? Get a grip kiddo.
Like it or not, that CPL or ATPL says you're held to a higher standard, and quite frankly it's asinine to consider doing so as "cowboy posturing" or "unprofessional".
Go "be deep" with him in counseling if you'd like. My sympathy ends where the flight line begins, and every passenger on that aircarft have lives just as worthy.
Like Seat 0A points out, would you let your loved one or yourself go under the knife of a surgeon who shows up to work on you 3 or 4 times the legal alcohol limit of what his profession allows to the point he'd be arrested for drunk driving? The anesthesiologist? Are you going to care that he's sad because his dog died or his wife left him? Get a grip kiddo.
I think, given the choice between a drunk SAS first officer and you for my right seat, that the choice would be less obvious than one would have thought.
Last edited by somethingclever; 13th May 2012 at 07:02.