A Sukhoi superjet 100 is missing
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Agreed -- The frequency congestion in Jakarta (especially CGK itself) is a significant matter. The absence of enforcement of frequency allocation and interference problems is a HUGE issue in Indonesia, directly related to a less than diligent regulator beset with corruption.
Agreed -- The frequency congestion in Jakarta (especially CGK itself) is a significant matter. The absence of enforcement of frequency allocation and interference problems is a HUGE issue in Indonesia, directly related to a less than diligent regulator beset with corruption.
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grizzled,
Are you saying that commercial FM stations or other radio users are using frequencies in the Aeronautical VHF spectrum?
Are you saying that commercial FM stations or other radio users are using frequencies in the Aeronautical VHF spectrum?
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maybe not intentionally, but poorly maintained / amateur / unlicensed transmitters can and do have sideband transmissions at different frequencies which could easily be transmitting in the aviation frequency spectrum. Without proper policing of the airwaves then this quickly becomes a real problem.
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Not restricted to Indonesia. There was a well know belgian FM radio station who poisoined R/T around Brussels for years. The difficult part was identifying it . Then it took legal action and many years to fix it (force them to buy a protected better quality transmitter ) Not easy. Big money is at stake normally.
Flying in Delhi a few years back we used to hear commercial radio over approach freq
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Latest "rumors" from Latvia and Russia...
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The Google translate for Latvian is pretty sorry, I will try to improve...
Nevertheless the human factor is to blame for the Superjet 100 crash says Russian media.
A source, close to the investigation told journalists the following: Pilot conversations [CVR] reveal that the a/c captain accomplished a „deadly maneuver”, bragging about the aircraft's capabilities. Specialists in Russian media have called this "aerial hooliganism".
In the transcripts you not only hear the warning, that the aircraft is nearing an object, but also a member of the crew trying to talk the captain out of performing risky maneuvers.
The source contends, that in the transcripts the other pilot is yelling approximately this phrase: Commander we are not allowed there, thre is a mountain.
The source also said, that the transcripts revealed that the fateful maneuver, which the pilot was not allowed to perform, was not the first during this flight.
Though temporarily/still we do not have official confirmation about this information, neither from Russian or Indonesian investigators.
The Google translate for Latvian is pretty sorry, I will try to improve...
Nevertheless the human factor is to blame for the Superjet 100 crash says Russian media.
A source, close to the investigation told journalists the following: Pilot conversations [CVR] reveal that the a/c captain accomplished a „deadly maneuver”, bragging about the aircraft's capabilities. Specialists in Russian media have called this "aerial hooliganism".
In the transcripts you not only hear the warning, that the aircraft is nearing an object, but also a member of the crew trying to talk the captain out of performing risky maneuvers.
The source contends, that in the transcripts the other pilot is yelling approximately this phrase: Commander we are not allowed there, thre is a mountain.
The source also said, that the transcripts revealed that the fateful maneuver, which the pilot was not allowed to perform, was not the first during this flight.
Though temporarily/still we do not have official confirmation about this information, neither from Russian or Indonesian investigators.
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An airborne version of the Costa Concordia disaster?
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...Commander we are not allowed there, thre is a mountain...
...командир, нам туда нельзя, там гора!
по словам источника, это был штурман
Full text abou hooliganism:
Как рассказал специалист ЦАГИ, вместе с коллегами из ЛИИ им. Громова они на основании представленных им данных неоднократно моделировали последний полет SSJ-100 и пришли к выводу: до столкновения самолет в столь же опасном сближении уже дважды облетал похожие горы, но третью обойти не смог — врезался. Как выразился эксперт: «Я с самого начала понимал, что ошибку экипажа отмести будет сложно, но то, что здесь может иметь место элемент воздушного хулиганства, — такого предположить не мог!»
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Here is a google-translated article which quotes an "industry source"
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who says it appears the pilots were convinced they were over a flat area and ignored taws warnings. There was a secondary too low gear warning
The media reports of a crew member warning of a mountain ahead are speculative and incorrect he said
There may have been a gap in communications with tower due to terrain
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who says it appears the pilots were convinced they were over a flat area and ignored taws warnings. There was a secondary too low gear warning
The media reports of a crew member warning of a mountain ahead are speculative and incorrect he said
There may have been a gap in communications with tower due to terrain
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A gear warning makes me wonder about their airspeed.
Most gear warnings (TAWS or other) take into account thrust lever position or airspeed to only give warnings when thrust or airspeed is low, in the landing realm.
If they were slow enough to get gear warnings perhaps they didn't have the speed or power to climb safely above terrain once they spotted it?
Most gear warnings (TAWS or other) take into account thrust lever position or airspeed to only give warnings when thrust or airspeed is low, in the landing realm.
If they were slow enough to get gear warnings perhaps they didn't have the speed or power to climb safely above terrain once they spotted it?
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There is earlier reference to a Navigator in the first few pages of this thread. It discusses the fact that the same Navigator was on both demo flights.
Even though the plane is 2-crew there may have been additional people on the flight deck.
Even though the plane is 2-crew there may have been additional people on the flight deck.
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Could the first 3 or 4 secs of this Sukhoi clip be considered 'aerial hooliganism ?
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There is earlier reference to a Navigator in the first few pages of this thread. It discusses the fact that the same Navigator was on both demo flights.
Even though the plane is 2-crew there may have been additional people on the flight deck.
Even though the plane is 2-crew there may have been additional people on the flight deck.
adding:
There was the navigator aboard - Oleg Shvecov
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Back in the 'old days' when I used to chase the pesky Reds around the airspace the 'Political Advisor' on aboard (presumably there to report on any non-acceptable politics) was always referred to as a 'navigator'.
