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Originally Posted by ACT Watcher
Again , this "radio silence "as you call it , is not a cause of this accident
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"ATC allowed the pilots to descend to 6,000 feet because the plane was at the time flying in a safe area. A moment later, ATC contacted the plane but received no answer" quoting from Clouds, ATC ?Not Factors? in Sukhoi Crash | The Jakarta Globe
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Sukhoi's FDR has been found - am I reading this announcement correctly?
Addendum: "The Jakarta Globe" now reports that FDR has indeed been found by the locals.
Sukhoi Flight Data Recorder Found by Locals | The Jakarta Globe
Originally Posted by Ill-fated Sukhoi’s flight-data recorder to be submitted today
The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Thu, 05/31/2012 10:59 AM | National
The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Thu, 05/31/2012 10:59 AM | National
The National Search and Rescue Agency (Basarnas) is scheduled to submit the ill-fated Russian-made aircraft Sukhoi’s flight-data recorder (FDR) to the National Transportation Safety Committee (KNKT) on Thursday morning, the agency's spokesman has confirmed.
Basarnas spokesman Gagah Prakoso said the rescue agency would hand over the FDR, also known as the black box, to KNKT officials at Halim Perdanakusuma Airport in East Jakarta on Thursday morning.
“We will give the FDR to the KNKT officials at around 10 a.m.,” he told The Jakarta Post without elaborating further.
Earlier, one of the teams involved with Indonesia’s joint search and rescue mission found the plane’s voice cockpit recorder (VCR), which appeared to be damaged.
The VCR records conversations between pilots during the flight, while the FDR records the speed, pitch and altitude of a plane during a flight.
Basarnas officially ended its search and recovery efforts following the Sukhoi Superjet 100 crash on May 22 after it had recovered the remains of all 45 people who were killed in the accident.
The Russian-made aircraft was destroyed in the hills of Mt. Salak in West Java on May 9 while on a demonstration flight. (asa/dic)
Basarnas spokesman Gagah Prakoso said the rescue agency would hand over the FDR, also known as the black box, to KNKT officials at Halim Perdanakusuma Airport in East Jakarta on Thursday morning.
“We will give the FDR to the KNKT officials at around 10 a.m.,” he told The Jakarta Post without elaborating further.
Earlier, one of the teams involved with Indonesia’s joint search and rescue mission found the plane’s voice cockpit recorder (VCR), which appeared to be damaged.
The VCR records conversations between pilots during the flight, while the FDR records the speed, pitch and altitude of a plane during a flight.
Basarnas officially ended its search and recovery efforts following the Sukhoi Superjet 100 crash on May 22 after it had recovered the remains of all 45 people who were killed in the accident.
The Russian-made aircraft was destroyed in the hills of Mt. Salak in West Java on May 9 while on a demonstration flight. (asa/dic)
Sukhoi Flight Data Recorder Found by Locals | The Jakarta Globe
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Sukhoi's PR twitter feed confirms FDR found.
(just to note: I typed "t w i t t e r" but the system displays it as "PPRuNe"
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(just to note: I typed "t w i t t e r" but the system displays it as "PPRuNe"
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AntaraNews says FDR found
Two stories on the AntaraNews web site both assert the FDR was just found.
The time notationss are within a few minutes of 11:00 p.m. May 31 Indonesian time.
As translated by Google translate, the second story asserts that the FDR was found in good condition (unlike the charred external appearance of the CVR) buried in the ground about twenty meters from the tail of the plane.
FDR story 1
FDR story 2
The time notationss are within a few minutes of 11:00 p.m. May 31 Indonesian time.
As translated by Google translate, the second story asserts that the FDR was found in good condition (unlike the charred external appearance of the CVR) buried in the ground about twenty meters from the tail of the plane.
FDR story 1
FDR story 2
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FDR
No. See the Aviation Herald. This appears to be a photo of what the FDR looks like "new"-as shown at the press conference. The Aviation Herald has the pic of this next to the recovered and "burnt" and evidently smashed up, and tagged FDR, next to the orange OEM sample.
Crash: Sukhoi SU95 over Indonesia on May 9th 2012, aircraft impacted mountain
Crash: Sukhoi SU95 over Indonesia on May 9th 2012, aircraft impacted mountain
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FDR found by locals...
At first I was surprised that Russia gave up looking for the FDR and went home soon after the CVR was found. I even suspected they had secretly found it and taken it with them. IMHO any nation that builds a new plane and demonstrates it to the world for export purposes, would be interested primarily in the FDR for any technical defects. One could have surmised that it could not be too far from the tail and the CVR.
For the rest of us the info from the CVR is of much more interest... ATC procedures, crew coordination procedures, comments about weather etc.
Let's now wait for a word from the investigative agencies.
For the rest of us the info from the CVR is of much more interest... ATC procedures, crew coordination procedures, comments about weather etc.
Let's now wait for a word from the investigative agencies.
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Yes, that IS the recovered FDR in the image I posted. The image you refer to at AH shows both the recovered FDR and throttle quadrant.
Here's another view:
No. See the Aviation Herald. This appears to be a photo of what the FDR looks like "new"-as shown at the press conference. The Aviation Herald has the pic of this next to the recovered and "burnt" and evidently smashed up, and tagged FDR, next to the orange OEM sample.
Yes, that IS the recovered FDR in the image I posted. The image you refer to at AH shows both the recovered FDR and throttle quadrant.
Here's another view:
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My bad, then. Aviation Herald described it as "burnt", which from the orange color it obviously is not.So I inferred that the burnt and crumpled object they were displaying was the FDR.Later posters on Aviation Herald have also noticed the misattribution.
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CVR Picture
In the AV Herald, beneath the picture referenced in post 531 is another one of a rather scorched recorder. I suspect the bright orange device is indeed an example of what they look like new. Crash: Sukhoi SU95 over Indonesia on May 9th 2012, aircraft impacted mountain
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My interpretation is that they appear to be the same design, it is entirely possible that the FDR was inadvertantly ejected on impact, whilst the voice recorder stayed with the airframe and was damaged in the ensuing fire, hence the different conditions of the two recorders.
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ITAR-TASS
Parametric recorder found at the crash site of the Russian aircraft "Sukhoi Superjet-100" (Sukhoi SuperJet-100) in Indonesia. This was announced by the Indonesian representative of the search team working on the site of the fall of the liner at Mount Salak to Russian journalists.
"We managed to find a parametric recorder. External device status is good, it is orange and not burned," - he said.
In Moscow, the company "Sukhoi Civil Aircraft" (GSS), which owned the crashed plane, confirmed the information.
Parametric recorder found at the crash site of the Russian aircraft "Sukhoi Superjet-100" (Sukhoi SuperJet-100) in Indonesia. This was announced by the Indonesian representative of the search team working on the site of the fall of the liner at Mount Salak to Russian journalists.
"We managed to find a parametric recorder. External device status is good, it is orange and not burned," - he said.
In Moscow, the company "Sukhoi Civil Aircraft" (GSS), which owned the crashed plane, confirmed the information.
Remember this photograph from earlier in the thread...
http://www.pprune.org/7192673-post351.html
http://www.pprune.org/7192673-post351.html
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don't know what you are trying to say .. yes they are both orange, but if you look a bit closer ? they do not appear to be the same orange object.
Guess you are plugging a conspiracy theory ?
Guess you are plugging a conspiracy theory ?
Bandures...
Re your post #508:
You are quite correct re this aircraft falling under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Industry and Trade (MINPROMTORG). And I tend to agree with your statement about their lack of expertise in such investigations.
Having said that, I sent you a PM last week regarding the presence of an Accredited Representative from MAK to this investigation.
Don't despair, there is a significant amount of international expertise now present in Jakarta and assisting the Indonesians with this investigation. I must also mention that there are several Indonesian investigators who have been very well trained abroad and worked on complex cases abroad also (in Australia for instance).
Re your post #508:
You are quite correct re this aircraft falling under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Industry and Trade (MINPROMTORG). And I tend to agree with your statement about their lack of expertise in such investigations.
Having said that, I sent you a PM last week regarding the presence of an Accredited Representative from MAK to this investigation.
Don't despair, there is a significant amount of international expertise now present in Jakarta and assisting the Indonesians with this investigation. I must also mention that there are several Indonesian investigators who have been very well trained abroad and worked on complex cases abroad also (in Australia for instance).
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