A Sukhoi superjet 100 is missing
Links to data recorder find articles
Using the URL of the photo posted by Kulverstukas as a guide, here are links to some articles in Indonesian at the same site recounting flight recorder discovery.
As there seems to be only one unit pictured, I speculate that they may only have found one of the FDR or CVR. Can anyone here affirm that this looks like one likely to have been mounted on the aircraft in question?
My copy of Google Chrome offers to translate these pages from Indonesian to English on loading. Failing that, you can put these URLs in to the URL box at translate.google.com or another translation site to get a crude but somewhat useful translation.
Black box discovery led (by) Lieutenant Taufik
Special Forces teams found the Black Box of Sukhoi
The black box was Found 100 meters from the Tail
Over seven hours up and down the mountain carrying the black box
As there seems to be only one unit pictured, I speculate that they may only have found one of the FDR or CVR. Can anyone here affirm that this looks like one likely to have been mounted on the aircraft in question?
My copy of Google Chrome offers to translate these pages from Indonesian to English on loading. Failing that, you can put these URLs in to the URL box at translate.google.com or another translation site to get a crude but somewhat useful translation.
Black box discovery led (by) Lieutenant Taufik
Special Forces teams found the Black Box of Sukhoi
The black box was Found 100 meters from the Tail
Over seven hours up and down the mountain carrying the black box
I am also sorry that despite impressive engineering and manufacturing capabilities, and overall high pilot skill levels; Russian airline operations can not seem to shake the wild west cowboy culture of flight operations that has resulted in so many recent incidents and accidents.
Sometimes the truth is hurtful to say but until both jurisdictions face up to their systemic problems, more people will die in totally preventable accidents.....
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It's entirely possible they would push the boundaries of 'normal' hand flying, but in this case, as I mentioned, ahead and a tad to the right is the highest point, and that timeline at say, 230kts, is better counted in seconds rather than minutes.
It does seem the aircraft had attained, or nearly so, its requested alt. I just don't buy guys of this caliber making a fatal assumption that the valley would have an open end. I think they both thought they were to the side of the main mass.
(Obviously opposite sides, from respective view-points.)
There is still the possibility of a serious malfunction at a crucial moment.
We are reliant on black box information to get much further, and in particular, voice recordings, but this thread has already been of great value to those with a sincere desire to learn.
It's entirely possible they would push the boundaries of 'normal' hand flying, but in this case, as I mentioned, ahead and a tad to the right is the highest point, and that timeline at say, 230kts, is better counted in seconds rather than minutes.
It does seem the aircraft had attained, or nearly so, its requested alt. I just don't buy guys of this caliber making a fatal assumption that the valley would have an open end. I think they both thought they were to the side of the main mass.
(Obviously opposite sides, from respective view-points.)
There is still the possibility of a serious malfunction at a crucial moment.
We are reliant on black box information to get much further, and in particular, voice recordings, but this thread has already been of great value to those with a sincere desire to learn.
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On another avenue of thought I wonder if there was a 3rd person in the flight deck on the jumpseat?
Someone from the customer airline perhaps and the 2 crew of the 100 were showing off and went too far.
Someone from the customer airline perhaps and the 2 crew of the 100 were showing off and went too far.
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Well, as far as I can tell, you should be happy: the memory module is unopened...
FA2100 SSCVR, Aviation Partners Group
Disclaimer: I'm by no mean implying that the recorder recovered is an FA2100 model, nor a CVR (by opposition to a FDR). I don't know. But I know how those "double shaped" recorders are built:
Memory in the round part. Only recording electronics in the square part.
As for the colour, however... How important is this re: data contained?
FA2100 SSCVR, Aviation Partners Group
Disclaimer: I'm by no mean implying that the recorder recovered is an FA2100 model, nor a CVR (by opposition to a FDR). I don't know. But I know how those "double shaped" recorders are built:
Memory in the round part. Only recording electronics in the square part.
As for the colour, however... How important is this re: data contained?
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Originally Posted by AlphaZuluRomeo
As for the colour, however... why is that of importance re: data contained?
I thought it was pretty straight forward, the message that was being stated.
possibly combined model
Following up on AlphaZuluRomeo's post: If, as might be possible, this is indeed from the FA2100 series, then it could either be the a single recorder, or a model combining CVR and DFDR function in a single unit. To my inexpert eye, the product photos for either of these are a pretty good match (given low resolution and extensive damage) and are indistinguishable, the one from the other. While the brochure photo for the FDR variant is a much longer box, this may just be the difference between 1/2 short and long ATR packaging options. Within this line it does not seem one can distinguish the function readily by external appearance.
FA2100 CVR
FA2100 combined CVR and FDR
FA2100 FDR
FA2100 CVR
FA2100 combined CVR and FDR
FA2100 FDR
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To give the proposed point of impact at 6°42'46.08"S 106°44'7.38"E (Google Earth coordinates) further support, I want to show you two images for comparison:
The first image is a frame that I extracted from a video uploaded to YT by Sergey Dolya on May 11th (as it is a video recorded by a smartphone, the quality lacks quite a bit):
As you may already have figured out, the circle marks the point of impact that is also seen on multiple photos round the interwebs. The reason I chose a video to compare is because the complete fly-by scene is giving a quite good impression of how the landscape is formed - better than on still photos, especially regarding the location of the peak in the background that I marked with an arrow.
The second image is extracted from Google Earth and the references are marked in the same manner:
Line of sight in both images is 270°. Note the bright patches at the peak in the background, and judge for yourselves (also take into account, that the height profile in GE has very limited resolution in that area, therefore a lot of detail is lost)...
The first image is a frame that I extracted from a video uploaded to YT by Sergey Dolya on May 11th (as it is a video recorded by a smartphone, the quality lacks quite a bit):
As you may already have figured out, the circle marks the point of impact that is also seen on multiple photos round the interwebs. The reason I chose a video to compare is because the complete fly-by scene is giving a quite good impression of how the landscape is formed - better than on still photos, especially regarding the location of the peak in the background that I marked with an arrow.
The second image is extracted from Google Earth and the references are marked in the same manner:
Line of sight in both images is 270°. Note the bright patches at the peak in the background, and judge for yourselves (also take into account, that the height profile in GE has very limited resolution in that area, therefore a lot of detail is lost)...
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mcgyvr81 Thank you for your post. That's astonishing.
The arrowed peak to the west is c 6,250 but the peak more or less ahead on their track is over 7,000. If they had been in the valley intentionally, it would appear they wanted to pass very near to that.
I'm getting a bad feeling about the wisdom of their seemingly planned excursion.
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2/ As the memory module (which is the armored part, that should remain as intact as possible to protect the data) is unopened -as far as I can tell- the data have no chance to have been tampered with IMO.
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Mistery of parachute resolved?
1. Parachute on the left, aft door on the right, upside down
2. Aft door
3. Two partition walls at the end of saloon
4. Technical seat with parachute on the right, before partition wall
Technical seat with parachute (at 3:15)
1. Parachute on the left, aft door on the right, upside down
2. Aft door
3. Two partition walls at the end of saloon
4. Technical seat with parachute on the right, before partition wall
Technical seat with parachute (at 3:15)
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Kind of atmosphere and attitude that was prevailing on this demonstration tour.
Picture taken a few days prior to accident
My opinion is that minute details like these influence bigger accidents.
Yeah, this blogger was also at the centre of 'SAR operation' -- he decided not fly on the fatal day. Been reading his twittеr, he frequently used a phrase 'our SAR emergency centre', 'we will be first to be on crash site' -- portrayed himself almost as a member of rescue team... What a nonsense.
Picture taken a few days prior to accident
My opinion is that minute details like these influence bigger accidents.
Yeah, this blogger was also at the centre of 'SAR operation' -- he decided not fly on the fatal day. Been reading his twittеr, he frequently used a phrase 'our SAR emergency centre', 'we will be first to be on crash site' -- portrayed himself almost as a member of rescue team... What a nonsense.
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I'm skeptical of accepting the suggestion that this was a scenic tour. The passengers weren't tourists out to take boring pictures of tree covered mountains that they see everyday throughout the country. The more likely scenario is that the pilot requested the altitude to demonstrate the capabilities of the aircraft.
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would the pilot be likely handflying or on automatics of some sort after requesting the altitude clearance?
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would the pilot be likely handflying or on automatics of some sort after requesting the altitude clearance?
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would the pilot be likely handflying or on automatics of some sort after requesting the altitude clearance?
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Hold your horses here!
These pictures depict the traditional ceremony of crossing the equator for the first time. This is no doubt in cruise and has absolutely nothing to do with the accident. It is an ancient maritime and aviation tradition.
These pictures depict the traditional ceremony of crossing the equator for the first time. This is no doubt in cruise and has absolutely nothing to do with the accident. It is an ancient maritime and aviation tradition.
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Parachute mystery solved
Kulverstukas, thanks for solving the mystery of the parachute. That brings me to a couple more questions, though. What would be the role of the "technical seat" on a demo flight such as this? And, what would be the purpose of the parachute?
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Hold your horses here!
These pictures depict the traditional ceremony of crossing the equator for the first time. This is no doubt in cruise and has absolutely nothing to do with the accident. It is an ancient maritime and aviation tradition.
These pictures depict the traditional ceremony of crossing the equator for the first time. This is no doubt in cruise and has absolutely nothing to do with the accident. It is an ancient maritime and aviation tradition.
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Carboon Bootpint, credit goes to allater from Forumavia - SSJ100 thread
As I understand, this plane (04) is still test one so it is equipped with some test equipment and seats for test engineers. If they test her close to the limits, crew should have some facilities for saving their lives if something goes wrong.
As I understand, this plane (04) is still test one so it is equipped with some test equipment and seats for test engineers. If they test her close to the limits, crew should have some facilities for saving their lives if something goes wrong.
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btw, does the terrain avoidance system have any predictive capability in a turn?
Because where the airplane is pointing and where it is going are 2 different things, sort of like the headlights on a car. Unless the car is an old Citroen which had headlights that swiveled left and right))
Because where the airplane is pointing and where it is going are 2 different things, sort of like the headlights on a car. Unless the car is an old Citroen which had headlights that swiveled left and right))
