A Sukhoi superjet 100 is missing
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Meanwhile, an Aeroflot flight attendant tweeted with commentary on the crash.
Aeroflot Fires A FA Over Superjet Crash Remarks — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
As soon as the news about the crash came through, she reportedly twitted with text roughly translated as "A Superjet crashed? (Devil Laugh)... **** of a plane. Pity not at Aeroflot. Could do with one of the planes out or have them all sold back to someone..."
Aeroflot responded by posting her letter of termination on the corportate Twitter account: https://twitter.com/#!/aeroflot/status/200610318089588737/photo/1
Aeroflot Fires A FA Over Superjet Crash Remarks — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
As soon as the news about the crash came through, she reportedly twitted with text roughly translated as "A Superjet crashed? (Devil Laugh)... **** of a plane. Pity not at Aeroflot. Could do with one of the planes out or have them all sold back to someone..."
Aeroflot responded by posting her letter of termination on the corportate Twitter account: https://twitter.com/#!/aeroflot/status/200610318089588737/photo/1
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Summarizing from russian pprune (forumavia.ru):
1. Poor preflight preparation (route and airfield charts, MSA etc).
2. Probably the terrain database had not been uploaded.
3. Probably the EGPWS had been turned off for this flight.
4. Test pilot - not much experienced in high terrain flights.
1. Poor preflight preparation (route and airfield charts, MSA etc).
2. Probably the terrain database had not been uploaded.
3. Probably the EGPWS had been turned off for this flight.
4. Test pilot - not much experienced in high terrain flights.
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Closer to impact
Here are two interesting articles from the Jakarta Post, where they know better about the terrain where it happened, and speculate as much as everyone over what might have happened and some really great stuff to feed your appetite for rumors and theories:
Mt. Salak: An airplane graveyard | The Jakarta Post
and over the weather over there by then:
Thick cloud covered Mt. Salak before Sukhoi crash | The Jakarta Post
Did they try to go under the weather rather than pass through? Still sounds like a very bad idea in that neck of the world.
They must have had a real mecanical problem degrading seriously they flight capability to want to (or not, but still) get in that s
t!
Mt. Salak: An airplane graveyard | The Jakarta Post
and over the weather over there by then:
Thick cloud covered Mt. Salak before Sukhoi crash | The Jakarta Post
Did they try to go under the weather rather than pass through? Still sounds like a very bad idea in that neck of the world.
They must have had a real mecanical problem degrading seriously they flight capability to want to (or not, but still) get in that s
t!
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Indonesia Air Crash - Large Pictures and an Aerial Video
New Pictures – Indonesia Air Crash, Rescue Parties Reach Wreckage
Video & larger pictures from links on this news site.
New Pictures – Indonesia Air Crash, Rescue Parties Reach Wreckage: AV Herald « The Airport Informer
Video & larger pictures from links on this news site.
New Pictures – Indonesia Air Crash, Rescue Parties Reach Wreckage: AV Herald « The Airport Informer
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Pointless arguing about such things.
I'm starting to get the feeling there's more to this than just pushing luck to give a good demonstration.
Very bad weather with CB to 37,000. Very experienced skipper and co-pilot. Sighting on ground of aircraft weaving left and right.
It makes me want to know what's in the black boxes more than ever.
I'm starting to get the feeling there's more to this than just pushing luck to give a good demonstration.
Very bad weather with CB to 37,000. Very experienced skipper and co-pilot. Sighting on ground of aircraft weaving left and right.
It makes me want to know what's in the black boxes more than ever.
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I have no opinion at this point as to why this plane hit this ridge. just too many possibilities NOT ruled out yet by the known information.
I am confused by some of the graphics, which seem (AvHerald, e.g.) to indicate impact on one side of the ridge, with main wreckage found on the other side.
The original cliff-face photos show intact forest on the ridge-top, which seems to belie the possibility of the plane flopping over the ridge after impact. Looks more like it simply hit, slammed to a stop, and then slid down on the same side that it hit.
The conflict may be due to imperfect plotting of the lat-long - a couple of seconds (location, not time) error would be enough to put one location or the other on the wrong side of a narrow ridgeline.
Just an artifact of the rock texture, of course, but there almost appears to be an eerie impression of the cockpit windows visible in the center of the gray knife-edged impact point.
I am confused by some of the graphics, which seem (AvHerald, e.g.) to indicate impact on one side of the ridge, with main wreckage found on the other side.
The original cliff-face photos show intact forest on the ridge-top, which seems to belie the possibility of the plane flopping over the ridge after impact. Looks more like it simply hit, slammed to a stop, and then slid down on the same side that it hit.
The conflict may be due to imperfect plotting of the lat-long - a couple of seconds (location, not time) error would be enough to put one location or the other on the wrong side of a narrow ridgeline.
Just an artifact of the rock texture, of course, but there almost appears to be an eerie impression of the cockpit windows visible in the center of the gray knife-edged impact point.
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Misfortune and tragedy seems to follow the former Soviet States around like an albatross. 10 years ago an Antonov AN-140 on a demo/marketing tour crashed into a mountain in Iran, killing all 44 on board, comprising top engineers, specialists and officials representing the industry.
Although the FDR was recovered, the cause of the crash was never revealed...
Although the FDR was recovered, the cause of the crash was never revealed...
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No, someone might update it. Perhaps you will. I won't, because life is too short.
Wikipedia is not a group of people paid to be writing stuff, it's a place where you and I can post what we know to be true... Or complete rubbish!
Wikipedia is not a group of people paid to be writing stuff, it's a place where you and I can post what we know to be true... Or complete rubbish!
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Interesting Jazz Hands, do you have a reference for that? Perhaps a newspaper of aerospace journal? Is it too much to hopethat the report is available on line?
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Earlier ridge impact?
The news vs conjecture is happening so fast. Where did I see (Aviation Herald, Post #220) a graphic based on Google Earth showing an initial impact point on a ridge before the final, catastrophic one?
Does the word "barnstorming" come to mind?
Does the word "barnstorming" come to mind?
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Some info on the Iran crash here. Quote from The Scientific-Technical Commission of the CIS Interstate Aviation Committee (MAK) report as reported on web-site flightglobal.com
Some info on the Iran crash here. Quote from The Scientific-Technical Commission of the CIS Interstate Aviation Committee (MAK) report as reported on web-site flightglobal.com
[MAK] says the crew made a number of errors, including:
* failure to apply approach procedures;
* incorrect reliance on the GPS, in breach of its operational requirements and their rating for its use on approach;
* failure to use information from other installed navigation equipment;
* failure to seek an alternative approach when they realised the GPS could not be giving a realistic DME readout.
* failure to apply approach procedures;
* incorrect reliance on the GPS, in breach of its operational requirements and their rating for its use on approach;
* failure to use information from other installed navigation equipment;
* failure to seek an alternative approach when they realised the GPS could not be giving a realistic DME readout.
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None of the things you mentioned were found to be even related to the direct cause of the crash.
