A Sukhoi superjet 100 is missing
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if you requested a descent in the USA to an altitude that would conflict with terrain, ATC would deny the request (assuming radar contact), and probably explain why the altitude would not be safe.
could there have been a confusion in language or understanding ...for a pilot to ask for altitudes that would conflict with terrain is just nuts.
could there have been a confusion in language or understanding ...for a pilot to ask for altitudes that would conflict with terrain is just nuts.
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Indonesian ATC will happily let you descend in mountainous terrain but that is why they ask "flight condition" and if you say "'victor mike charlie" they will clear you lower but you as the pilot have to remember you are responsible for terrain clearance.
Only this morning I heard an American pilot in his big fancy business jet being asked "flight condition" which seemed to confuse him totally, he finally responded with "VFR" and the ATC cleared him lower but it did make me wonder if the pilot understood why he was being asked that.
Only this morning I heard an American pilot in his big fancy business jet being asked "flight condition" which seemed to confuse him totally, he finally responded with "VFR" and the ATC cleared him lower but it did make me wonder if the pilot understood why he was being asked that.
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Navigator....?
A couple of earlier poster mention a 'navigator' (being the same person on both flights)
Is Sukhoi trying to sell a plane with a more-than-two-person crew? With the third person not even being the sometimes missed flight engineer?
Is Sukhoi trying to sell a plane with a more-than-two-person crew? With the third person not even being the sometimes missed flight engineer?
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It looks like that it wasn´t 90deg impact more like 45 and little left bank?
On trees above and left, you can clearly see more (fire) damage.
Is it that white part a possibly left wing tip? More heavier and bigger debris (engines) went down, I guess.
Terrible tragedy for the families And btw all those published pictures with crying relatives are ' product' of really low life journalists.
On trees above and left, you can clearly see more (fire) damage.
Is it that white part a possibly left wing tip? More heavier and bigger debris (engines) went down, I guess.
Terrible tragedy for the families And btw all those published pictures with crying relatives are ' product' of really low life journalists.
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Originally Posted by gbour
A couple of earlier poster mention a 'navigator' (being the same person on both flights)
Is Sukhoi trying to sell a plane with a more-than-two-person crew? With the third person not even being the sometimes missed flight engineer?
Is Sukhoi trying to sell a plane with a more-than-two-person crew? With the third person not even being the sometimes missed flight engineer?
Crew of missing Sukhoi Superjet 100 airliner named | The Jakarta Post
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http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6308/..._e7a53e03_orig
"Diagram of accident data from the staff. Red line - the trajectory of the aircraft. Green - the rescuers. The scheme is approximate"
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"Diagram of accident data from the staff. Red line - the trajectory of the aircraft. Green - the rescuers. The scheme is approximate"
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Update from today's press conference:http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6308/..._e7a53e03_orig . (Sergey Dolya)
Approximate current situation plan.
Red line: app. flight path.
Green line: rescue crews.
Approximate current situation plan.
Red line: app. flight path.
Green line: rescue crews.
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"I added video @ YouTube http://youtu.be/6jP-Xfmdyzk?a Flying around in a helicopter crash site Superjet"
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<quote>....theoretically it should prevent the 'outclimb' problem.</quote>
Does it calculate on a straight-ahead path?
They banked left quite sharply before the impact site, perhaps they where trying to escape the valley? Almost as if they where trying to get over at the lowest ridge point (slightly right of the impact point.....)?
Does it calculate on a straight-ahead path?
They banked left quite sharply before the impact site, perhaps they where trying to escape the valley? Almost as if they where trying to get over at the lowest ridge point (slightly right of the impact point.....)?
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Groundrat: I was thinking about this picture: http://www.vg.no/uploaded/image/bild...157105_296.jpg
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Next Sergey Dolya update. Video from flyby over crash site: http://youtu.be/6jP-Xfmdyzk
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I am FED UP with the constant allusions and sarcastic remarks by some here ( mostly the Brits) regarding the quality of the engineering, construction,training and operation of the Sukhoi in particular and Russia in general.
Fact is that Russia has always had and has a very Solid aviation industry with designs that have Always greatly surpassed any crap that the UK. ever produced.
The SSJ is a very modern airliner, built by one of the World's most highly regarded manufacturers.
The crew have already been crucified by the know-all flightsim pseudo-pilot ppruners without even knowing the location of the FDR and CVR, let alone knowing the contents.
Fact is that Russia has always had and has a very Solid aviation industry with designs that have Always greatly surpassed any crap that the UK. ever produced.
The SSJ is a very modern airliner, built by one of the World's most highly regarded manufacturers.
The crew have already been crucified by the know-all flightsim pseudo-pilot ppruners without even knowing the location of the FDR and CVR, let alone knowing the contents.
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I am FED UP with the constant allusions and sarcastic remarks by some here ( mostly the Brits) regarding the quality of the engineering, construction,training and operation of the Sukhoi in particular and Russia in general.
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Looking and the video and comparing with Google Earth, it's fairly clear which ridge they hit. It appears the map with the red and green lines puts the crash in the wrong place. As far as I can tell, the crash site is around 6 42'46.10"S 106 44'06.09"E at around 1980m altitude (assuming you trust Google Earth). If that's correct, it appears they had the altitude to just clear the ridge, had they just been a hundred metres or so to the right.
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I am FED UP with the constant allusions and sarcastic remarks by some here ( mostly the Brits)
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Govt considers evaluation of Russia’s Sukhoi safety audit - The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Thu, 05/10/2012 9:19 PM
Indonesia National Air Carrier Association (INACA) secretary general Tengku Burhanuddin said the crash of would not affect local demand for such aircraft.
“We need jets like that to connect one city to another to support economic growth,” he said.
He did not want to speculate on the cause of the crash, but said that the pilots pushed the plane to the limit in the first joy-flight, in which he participated in on the morning of the crash.
Superjet Disappears South of Jakarta: Notes From an Aviation Consultant | The Jakarta Globe
"Flying to the south of Jakarta is dangerous if only armed with a Jeppesen map: No terrain depiction, only the minimum safe altitude (MSA) is there.
As you can see from Image 2 -- which I picked from Lido chart -- Mt. Salak and Pangrango are just outside the MSA limit. Note minimum of route altitudes (MORA) is 11900 and 10300. On the Jeppesen, this is not depicted on Halim airport approach charts, nor on the STAR charts for HLP or CGK."
"A witness onboard on an earlier flight told me that the previous flight was departing and arriving Halim 24. The pilots only had the approach and airport ground charts. Seeing the nave displays on the previous flight, it looks like they simply planned to depart, go along R206 airway (R-195 HLM) until about 30NM and turn back."
Indonesia National Air Carrier Association (INACA) secretary general Tengku Burhanuddin said the crash of would not affect local demand for such aircraft.
“We need jets like that to connect one city to another to support economic growth,” he said.
He did not want to speculate on the cause of the crash, but said that the pilots pushed the plane to the limit in the first joy-flight, in which he participated in on the morning of the crash.
Superjet Disappears South of Jakarta: Notes From an Aviation Consultant | The Jakarta Globe
"Flying to the south of Jakarta is dangerous if only armed with a Jeppesen map: No terrain depiction, only the minimum safe altitude (MSA) is there.
As you can see from Image 2 -- which I picked from Lido chart -- Mt. Salak and Pangrango are just outside the MSA limit. Note minimum of route altitudes (MORA) is 11900 and 10300. On the Jeppesen, this is not depicted on Halim airport approach charts, nor on the STAR charts for HLP or CGK."
"A witness onboard on an earlier flight told me that the previous flight was departing and arriving Halim 24. The pilots only had the approach and airport ground charts. Seeing the nave displays on the previous flight, it looks like they simply planned to depart, go along R206 airway (R-195 HLM) until about 30NM and turn back."