Japan airlines tailstrike...
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Two videos are still up, one of the actual landing:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd2_1333975793
And one of the damage afterwards.
Discuss.
Just as a precaution I saved both to my harddrive in case the lawyer types get these pulled down as well.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd2_1333975793
And one of the damage afterwards.
Discuss.
Just as a precaution I saved both to my harddrive in case the lawyer types get these pulled down as well.
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The you tube link is dead showing the aircraft damage. Any chance you can put it somewhere so it can be downloaded...
So far this incident is getting rapidly "erased" from ever occurring ...... Lots of references to it are being cut resulting in dead links to not only videos but news articles as well.....
So far this incident is getting rapidly "erased" from ever occurring ...... Lots of references to it are being cut resulting in dead links to not only videos but news articles as well.....
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This is starting to look like a company SOP or training problem. In my many years as an airline pilot I have never witnessed such strange behavior from an airliner during landing.
Very strange. What would cause such odd flare / touchdown ocillation. I mean the nose gear does not look to even contact the runway during the ocillation. This leads me to think that they have a massive amount of thrust still in when they touchdown, also preventing spoiler extension.
WTF???
Very strange. What would cause such odd flare / touchdown ocillation. I mean the nose gear does not look to even contact the runway during the ocillation. This leads me to think that they have a massive amount of thrust still in when they touchdown, also preventing spoiler extension.
WTF???
Yeah I agree. Did you see the windsock at the end? Not a lot of wind at the time.
Extremely bad Piloting ability it seems. A lot of pushing a pulling going on there. They seemed to thump it on then get a bit of Kangaroo hopping!! Out of sync and way over controlling.
At least they went around I guess!!
Extremely bad Piloting ability it seems. A lot of pushing a pulling going on there. They seemed to thump it on then get a bit of Kangaroo hopping!! Out of sync and way over controlling.
At least they went around I guess!!
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At least they went around I guess!!
I can't believe they did not drag the tail on that one, it looks extremely close to the ground towards the end, although it could just be the poor lighting. I would imagine trimming while in the flare and then adding boat-loads of thrust is just a recipe for a tail strike, especially with the underslung engines. You suddenly find yourself pushing on the yoke to control rotation rate, which is the opposite of what you are doing on a takeoff.
Normal in a go-around, but when airborne you at least have a little more playroom to overshoot and correct back down - not so when inches above the tarmac.
That also makes it even more scary, it is not a go-around, but a touch and go. Touch and gos in an airliner should not be a common thing, and it is certainly much more dangerous than a regular go-around.
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Why on earth is that
And it is one thing to set about doing touch and gos, or actually grazing the ground during a low altitude go-around - but this is completely different. These guys rolled down the runway several thousand feet, getting closer and closer to hitting the tail.
Can it be done? Sure, but it is a maneuver that increases the risk quite sharply of something going wrong, and should therefore not be "normal". I guess if you think you are gonna go off the end it might be a better option, but it certainly is a much more dangerous maneuver than a plain old GA.
Because it is not something you train for in most carriers. It is basically a takeoff in which the aircraft is trimmed for a very low speed, with flaps not in a TO setting and the TO Config blaring at you. This wasn't a base training TnG, it was an "ohh sh1t, we are running out of room to stop" TnG. I've never heard of a carrier actually training this maneuver.
Point Taken
my brain was fried with all the touch & go's that I watched with JAL 747's at Moses lake and PanAM when they took those L1011's ... but that was many years ago
