Manx2 incident Ronaldsway. Gear collapse?
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Manx2 incident Ronaldsway. Gear collapse?
Looks like the J31 G-CCPW operating a Manx2 flight has had a right main gear collapse, aircraft left the paved surface and stopped on the grass, no media info so far.
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EMERGENCY services were called into action at the airport tonight (Thursday) after a Manx2 flight crash landed with the undercarriage appearing to give way.
A Jetstream 31 aircraft GCCPW operated by Links Air, on behalf of Manx2.com, suffered a ‘problem with the right hand undercarriage’ after landing at at 6pm, a statement released tonight said.
The aircraft was operating the service from Leeds Bradford Airport to the Isle of Man.
The 12 passengers and two crew all disembarked the aircraft safely.
One passenger tweeted after the incident and described it as a crash landing but added: ‘We all walked off okay.’
A Manx2 spokesman said: ‘The emergency rescue services swiftly attended the scene and offered their assistance to the passengers.
‘Manx2.com would like to express their thanks to all those who helped during the incident for their professionalism and swift response.
‘Manx2.com are dedicated to passenger safety. Engineers from Links Air will be thoroughly investigating the cause of the problem.’
A Jetstream 31 aircraft GCCPW operated by Links Air, on behalf of Manx2.com, suffered a ‘problem with the right hand undercarriage’ after landing at at 6pm, a statement released tonight said.
The aircraft was operating the service from Leeds Bradford Airport to the Isle of Man.
The 12 passengers and two crew all disembarked the aircraft safely.
One passenger tweeted after the incident and described it as a crash landing but added: ‘We all walked off okay.’
A Manx2 spokesman said: ‘The emergency rescue services swiftly attended the scene and offered their assistance to the passengers.
‘Manx2.com would like to express their thanks to all those who helped during the incident for their professionalism and swift response.
‘Manx2.com are dedicated to passenger safety. Engineers from Links Air will be thoroughly investigating the cause of the problem.’
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At least they all got off....... 2nd now after cork.
Manx2 are not an airline, they are only a ticketing agency........ Thats what they said after cork anyway
. Links and FLM operate their Ac, sloping shoulders eh!
We await the results of the investigation.
Manx2 are not an airline, they are only a ticketing agency........ Thats what they said after cork anyway
. Links and FLM operate their Ac, sloping shoulders eh!We await the results of the investigation.
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Now let's not sensationalise this, not really a "2nd after Cork", different scenario altogether. This could simply be a mechanical failure of the gear, not a "press on at all cost" incident.
rumour has it that a tyre burst on landing, the aircraft then departed the paved surface and the main gear then dug into the grass and got damaged as the aircraft spun around..... all pax and crew safe..
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Used to do this route regularly as px.
Wx at Ronaldsway often makes the landing lively, and have experienced many a positive contact. Not in the least suprised to see a tyre/gear issue - but everybody walked off so no harm done. That said weather doesn't look too bad in the picture.
Having landed at about 15 degrees to starboard and progressed down a couple of hundred meters of runway on 1 wheel and with the right wingtip no more than 3 feet off the tarmac in a force 10 that had the ferries suspended this is probably the least kind of incident one could expect onto what is after all an island route. Eventually the wind dropped and we proceeded right side up. Not my favourite trips - I am a bad passenger/navigator when things are lively.
Wx at Ronaldsway often makes the landing lively, and have experienced many a positive contact. Not in the least suprised to see a tyre/gear issue - but everybody walked off so no harm done. That said weather doesn't look too bad in the picture.
Having landed at about 15 degrees to starboard and progressed down a couple of hundred meters of runway on 1 wheel and with the right wingtip no more than 3 feet off the tarmac in a force 10 that had the ferries suspended this is probably the least kind of incident one could expect onto what is after all an island route. Eventually the wind dropped and we proceeded right side up. Not my favourite trips - I am a bad passenger/navigator when things are lively.
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The Isle of Man Airport Director Ann Reynolds was interviewed by the local Isle of Man radio station this moring regarding yesterday evening's incident involving a the Links Air, BAe Jetstream 31, G-CCPW aircraft that was operating inbound LNQ039L service from Leeds/Bradford.
http://www.isleofman.com/media/audio...arch081306.wma
While another image has appeared of the aircraft by the side of the runway
http://www.isleofman.com/media/audio...arch081306.wma
While another image has appeared of the aircraft by the side of the runway
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we were holding awaiting Take off.
wind 210 /17 RW 26, no major x wind but all other ac using 21...
Very heavy landing, gear came off befor entering grass...
Only words pilot said after crashing, and after a pilot from Capital aviation declared an emergency for him was "puncture"...
left engine continued running for a good 90 seconds after crash..
Prob contributed to the ac going of rw as remaining engine still producing thrust?
Fire service were 5 min to respond, all pax off before they arrived, probably due to the fact that fire trucks stayed on taxiways and runway instead of driving over the grass...
crew were taken away and PAX.
Atc then came on radio (messsage from Aaib) and asked if anyone new if the FDR would still continue to run if masterswich still on!! (30 mins had now gone past.... bit late for that question as FDR only records last 30 mins....
Fire men were then asked, check master switch....
Got a few pics. will add them later
wind 210 /17 RW 26, no major x wind but all other ac using 21...
Very heavy landing, gear came off befor entering grass...
Only words pilot said after crashing, and after a pilot from Capital aviation declared an emergency for him was "puncture"...
left engine continued running for a good 90 seconds after crash..
Prob contributed to the ac going of rw as remaining engine still producing thrust?
Fire service were 5 min to respond, all pax off before they arrived, probably due to the fact that fire trucks stayed on taxiways and runway instead of driving over the grass...
crew were taken away and PAX.
Atc then came on radio (messsage from Aaib) and asked if anyone new if the FDR would still continue to run if masterswich still on!! (30 mins had now gone past.... bit late for that question as FDR only records last 30 mins....
Fire men were then asked, check master switch....
Got a few pics. will add them later
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jetstreams are pretty good in foul wx and high winds to be honest. The landings tend to be firmer than other types.
The tyres are pretty robust and you don't normally have much trouble with them. I have two go in 8 years flying them. One was new on and the other just went flat on the taxi in.
But because you only have one each side if you have any problems you get alot of yaw very quickly as the rubber starts flapping round the rim. Which can be a bit of a handful as proved.
The aircraft though is built like a brick ****e house, if your going to go off roading it would be my aircraft type of choice to do it in.
Just to check did the gear come off or did it fold?
The tyres are pretty robust and you don't normally have much trouble with them. I have two go in 8 years flying them. One was new on and the other just went flat on the taxi in.
But because you only have one each side if you have any problems you get alot of yaw very quickly as the rubber starts flapping round the rim. Which can be a bit of a handful as proved.
The aircraft though is built like a brick ****e house, if your going to go off roading it would be my aircraft type of choice to do it in.
Just to check did the gear come off or did it fold?
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The landing was very heavy. Will the investigation reveal how many G?
The landing gear folded on the paved surface, not in the grass. Right prop badly damaged. Big spray of sparks from paved surface.
The aircraft partially spun on the runway; tail down probably due to friction of aircraft lying on folded gear. Entering grass at approx 45degree angle and stopped very abruptly with considerable G to port; completing the last 40 degrees of spin in final few yards in grass. Landing gear visible folded under wing.
Time taken from becoming stationary to first passenger exiting aircraft was under 30seconds.
The landing gear folded on the paved surface, not in the grass. Right prop badly damaged. Big spray of sparks from paved surface.
The aircraft partially spun on the runway; tail down probably due to friction of aircraft lying on folded gear. Entering grass at approx 45degree angle and stopped very abruptly with considerable G to port; completing the last 40 degrees of spin in final few yards in grass. Landing gear visible folded under wing.
Time taken from becoming stationary to first passenger exiting aircraft was under 30seconds.
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The FDR is a 25 hour tape and the CVR is only 30 mins. And it does record G.
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...pdf_033317.pdf
Something to read.
5.6G on that one and the gear didn't fold but the main spar cracked.
We shall see what the report says.
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...pdf_033317.pdf
Something to read.
5.6G on that one and the gear didn't fold but the main spar cracked.
We shall see what the report says.
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A few years back there was an AD calling for NDT inspection of the radius rod housing bodies for cracks on the J31/32 which if left unchecked could cause the radius rod to fail leaving the gear attached at the bearing housings but potentially not locked down, Seen one which failed in NZ and in that case the gear jammed against the wing skin at the outboard area of the gear bay preventing collapse but wonder in a strong cross wind if the same failure condition could cause the gear to collapse??, assuming the crack issue still remains and has not been modified out. Also seen a J32 land in the states with the brakes locked on one axle, ripped the tyre from the wheel and ground part of the wheel away but the aircraft remained on the tarmac with minor damage so would be surprised if a puncture alone caused the incident.
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Thanks benpa31 for your account but it is a bit off. I was the Tower Controller on at the time. I saw the whole incident and had pressed the AFS Crash Alarm while it was still skidding down the runway producing sparks. The AFS responded with 2 minutes. The pilot from Capital (which I am assuming was you) did not actually declare an emergency and the words from the JS31 pilot was actually "I think we have burst a tyre".
You may not hear much from ATC at the time of an incident as we are setting in the motion the attendance of the emergency services, finding out the POB, closing the airfield and making it safe for other users at the time etc...
Regarding the Voice Recorder, I was asked by the AAIB to make sure the circuit breakers were disconnected ASAP. I relayed that message to AFS who in turn told me that the battery had been isolated. I didn't want to assume that this meant there was voice recorder was now disconnected (as I am no engineer) so I asked any pilots on frequency if any of them could confirm this for me and I also contacted an aircraft engineer who was based at the airport.
I hope this now clarifies actually what happened.
You may not hear much from ATC at the time of an incident as we are setting in the motion the attendance of the emergency services, finding out the POB, closing the airfield and making it safe for other users at the time etc...
Regarding the Voice Recorder, I was asked by the AAIB to make sure the circuit breakers were disconnected ASAP. I relayed that message to AFS who in turn told me that the battery had been isolated. I didn't want to assume that this meant there was voice recorder was now disconnected (as I am no engineer) so I asked any pilots on frequency if any of them could confirm this for me and I also contacted an aircraft engineer who was based at the airport.
I hope this now clarifies actually what happened.
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Thanks and Only said it how we saw it, and pleased you have clarified things. And no, not the capital pilot, 2 ac holding at time of crash at 21 and woodgate and flybe also lingering.
As we heard it, Capitol pilot called " call sign , emergency on runway" before pilot mentioned tyre also while ac was still sliding down Rw.
Anyway main thing, No one injured and everyone did there job.
As we heard it, Capitol pilot called " call sign , emergency on runway" before pilot mentioned tyre also while ac was still sliding down Rw.
Anyway main thing, No one injured and everyone did there job.
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