The 'MALAISE' Continues.....
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The 'MALAISE' Continues.....
From the AvWeb site (USA),....
" INDIA'S KINGFISHER ON THE ROPES
Days may be numbered for India's largest budget airline but Kingfisher Airlines is soldiering on even though the Indian government has frozen its bank accounts and its pilots are becoming less interested in going to work since they haven't been paid since November. The accounts freeze came last week after the airline failed to meet a deadline to pay millions in back taxes. Somehow, the airline is still finding crews to volunteer to fly the 28 remaining aircraft still operational (from a total fleet of 68) and it's still finding passengers willing to join them. Kingfisher's flamboyant CEO, Vijay Mallya, who lives part-time in Marin County near San Francisco, says his company will survive."
What IS it with these people..??
Crews NOT paid since November last???
Accounts frozen?
And this 'flamboyant' CEO lives in California..???
Hello....Hello....crews... Still 'Volunteering..??
Must be chasing the hours...
" INDIA'S KINGFISHER ON THE ROPES
Days may be numbered for India's largest budget airline but Kingfisher Airlines is soldiering on even though the Indian government has frozen its bank accounts and its pilots are becoming less interested in going to work since they haven't been paid since November. The accounts freeze came last week after the airline failed to meet a deadline to pay millions in back taxes. Somehow, the airline is still finding crews to volunteer to fly the 28 remaining aircraft still operational (from a total fleet of 68) and it's still finding passengers willing to join them. Kingfisher's flamboyant CEO, Vijay Mallya, who lives part-time in Marin County near San Francisco, says his company will survive."
What IS it with these people..??
Crews NOT paid since November last???
Accounts frozen?
And this 'flamboyant' CEO lives in California..???
Hello....Hello....crews... Still 'Volunteering..??
Must be chasing the hours...
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What is it with these people?
To quote the Indian Justice Minister : " 20% of Indians are ....honest people, the rest are either borderline crooks or utterly dishonest" (and this was after he was forced to moderate his viewpoint).
Got the picture, GRIFFO?
The remaining pilots are not volunteering to anything, just held hostage with their tax and pension money stolen by the company, and now 3 month's salary, too.
Most pilots have left already, among them more than 400 expats.
Got the picture, GRIFFO?
The remaining pilots are not volunteering to anything, just held hostage with their tax and pension money stolen by the company, and now 3 month's salary, too.
Most pilots have left already, among them more than 400 expats.
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Three years ago, KFA was avoiding paying hotel bills, being kicked out of a new hotel every few months due to default payment. They've changed the terms and conditions a number of times, squeezing some non-indian to take up local contracts.
They were also missing payments on their simulators for more than 6 months, which pushed training providers in terminating agreements with them.
The management of KFA was given to Malya's 23 year old son as a present for his birthday. Back then we could already see something was wrong.
You cannot pay a hotel room, while you operate a multi billion dollar airline and order 380's? Come on, they've taken people for idiots for too long, sad for the ones who lose their jobs, but I hope this operator goes down, it'll give opportunities for another the start something hopefully better.
They were also missing payments on their simulators for more than 6 months, which pushed training providers in terminating agreements with them.
The management of KFA was given to Malya's 23 year old son as a present for his birthday. Back then we could already see something was wrong.
You cannot pay a hotel room, while you operate a multi billion dollar airline and order 380's? Come on, they've taken people for idiots for too long, sad for the ones who lose their jobs, but I hope this operator goes down, it'll give opportunities for another the start something hopefully better.
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I had my suspicions about this guy when I saw him touring Airbus and talking of ordering huge numbers of A380's in order to replace Indian Railways!
I flew once on Kingfisher and it was very good with high levels of customer service however this clown has let it fall apart.
Branson he certainly is not!
I flew once on Kingfisher and it was very good with high levels of customer service however this clown has let it fall apart.
Branson he certainly is not!
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Kingfisher created a jobs for many people including locals on this forum and they paid reasonably well. Now instead of saying "thank you for giving us jobs" people start to bitch about company and founder instead of going finding another job?
What's wrong with you people?
What's wrong with you people?
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Looking through the recent shower of official statements to the press, officials, employers etc., mister Mallya and his pet CEO has succeeded in not providing one single true statement.
Even the KFR pilots (those still left) have come out of the deep denial and stopped operations this week, an amazing feat considering there is no union to coordinate such action.
Including tax, providence fund and salaries it is estimated that Mallya has cheated each pilot of almost one year's salary.
Has anyone here ever experienced a similar massive fraud and abuse of pilots by any other airline?
Even the KFR pilots (those still left) have come out of the deep denial and stopped operations this week, an amazing feat considering there is no union to coordinate such action.
Including tax, providence fund and salaries it is estimated that Mallya has cheated each pilot of almost one year's salary.
Has anyone here ever experienced a similar massive fraud and abuse of pilots by any other airline?
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Turbo, there was a true statement today.....almost. The media report was that an A330 was returned to the Lesee in London in order to stem further losses. The truth was that the Royal Bank of Scotland with baliff`s on hand ceased the aircraft upon arrival LHR. Also overnight, x 3 KFA aircraft arrived and are parked in DUB.
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This is the slowest death I have ever seen. The fact that the Indian aviation authorities don't step in and put and end to this serious safety concern that is KFA is perplexing.
If you show up to work for A WHOLE 
YEAR without ever getting paid, then you deserve to be shafted out of a year's salary. One month you don't receive your salary, you ask what is going on. If by the next month you are still salary-less, then it is your duty to withhold your services.
Some people really do not deserve to call themselves "professionals".
cheated each pilot of almost one year's salary.
YEAR without ever getting paid, then you deserve to be shafted out of a year's salary. One month you don't receive your salary, you ask what is going on. If by the next month you are still salary-less, then it is your duty to withhold your services. Some people really do not deserve to call themselves "professionals".
Please refer this thread....
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ts-moving.html
Unfortunately DGCA had a hand in it too with CAR on 6 months notice period... it was blatantly being misused by this airline to force pilots to fly..
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ts-moving.html
Unfortunately DGCA had a hand in it too with CAR on 6 months notice period... it was blatantly being misused by this airline to force pilots to fly..
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The DGCA does have the right to overrule its own CARsunder situations which warrant such action where maleficence is apparent. Thequestion should be asked is if the Central Government is willing to step in andforce the DGCA’s hand so pilots can move on to another carrier and get on withtheir lives.
Thequestion should be asked is if the Central Government is willing to step in andforce the DGCA’s hand so pilots can move on to another carrier and get on withtheir lives.
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Whose side are you on Urgency?
Squawk77 had it occurred to you that the pilots who worked for almost a year without pilots may have had little choice.
I as did many did not get paid for many months work at Arik in Nigeria. I am owed 6 months salary but that excuse for an airline. The facts are thought that even in that environment many of my colleagues notably the younger Scandinavians continued to turn up as they did not have anywhere else to go!
It is nothing to do with being professional if you have a family to feed and no one else in the world will interview you, regardless of ability or background then the choice is to keep flying the jet until you have enough hours to move up the food chain or make yourself uncurrent, unemployed and then try and get enough money to get to interviews all over the world frequently at your own expense oh and pay the mortgage, feed the family, avoid the bailiffs and court orders and try not to get divorced at the same time.
Granted now yrs past my misery at Arik I find it a shame that these guys are treated that way by people who have the gaul to call themselves employers but to call the victims and your brother/sister pilots unprofessional when they are likely 100k in debt from having shelled out on thier own training and type rating and who are getting shafted by gutless, selfish, frequently cowardly and underhand management is not exactly cricket now is it!
I mean whose side are you on? Yes what the airline is doing sucks but the problem lies elsewhere and is likely a reason why a frequent conversation at bars in the sandpit amongst 777, 737 and scare bus crews is how with 4000hrs plus the vast majority of us are there , amongst other reasons, because UK employers such as Flybe, Easyjet, TCX, etc would rather take a 250hr 25yr old from CTC, Oxford et al than even interview a local British pilot who would likely be too demanding in their eyes with expect to bases and Ts & Cs whereas the reality is that if you are willing to work in India or Nigeria then Newcastle or Manchester is hardly likely to upset us that much!
I as did many did not get paid for many months work at Arik in Nigeria. I am owed 6 months salary but that excuse for an airline. The facts are thought that even in that environment many of my colleagues notably the younger Scandinavians continued to turn up as they did not have anywhere else to go!
It is nothing to do with being professional if you have a family to feed and no one else in the world will interview you, regardless of ability or background then the choice is to keep flying the jet until you have enough hours to move up the food chain or make yourself uncurrent, unemployed and then try and get enough money to get to interviews all over the world frequently at your own expense oh and pay the mortgage, feed the family, avoid the bailiffs and court orders and try not to get divorced at the same time.
Granted now yrs past my misery at Arik I find it a shame that these guys are treated that way by people who have the gaul to call themselves employers but to call the victims and your brother/sister pilots unprofessional when they are likely 100k in debt from having shelled out on thier own training and type rating and who are getting shafted by gutless, selfish, frequently cowardly and underhand management is not exactly cricket now is it!
I mean whose side are you on? Yes what the airline is doing sucks but the problem lies elsewhere and is likely a reason why a frequent conversation at bars in the sandpit amongst 777, 737 and scare bus crews is how with 4000hrs plus the vast majority of us are there , amongst other reasons, because UK employers such as Flybe, Easyjet, TCX, etc would rather take a 250hr 25yr old from CTC, Oxford et al than even interview a local British pilot who would likely be too demanding in their eyes with expect to bases and Ts & Cs whereas the reality is that if you are willing to work in India or Nigeria then Newcastle or Manchester is hardly likely to upset us that much!
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has managment had a meeting with any of the employee groups to see if a resolution can be worked out. only thing that comes to mind if an offer of equity or some kind of employee pressure to the government to defreeze accounts.
Who really benefits if Kingfisher goes under.
Who really benefits if Kingfisher goes under.
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Sorry but I stand by my comments.
If you have a family to feed you get a job, any job. Working for free is not a good strategy. You are treated with the respect that you demand, and by providing your services for free you are not deserving of much respect. By working for free you perpetuate the treatment you receive by carriers like KFA or Arik Air.
I have sympathy for someone loosing their job as a result of poor management or economic pressures. I have no respect for pilots that have been working for free for up to a year loosing their job. In my view, they lost their jobs a year ago when they stop receiving their salaries.
Sorry but I have a hard time understanding your point. You are saying that a guy willing to up-root his family to India and Nigeria would be too demanding with regards to bases and Ts&Cs in the UK? Really? That is why he is taking a third world job in a third world country? Makes no sense to me, unless I misunderstood your point.
It is nothing to do with being professional if you have a family to feed and no one else in the world will interview you, regardless of ability or background then the choice is to keep flying the jet until you have enough hours to move up the food chain or make yourself uncurrent, unemployed and then try and get enough money to get to interviews all over the world frequently at your own expense oh and pay the mortgage, feed the family, avoid the bailiffs and court orders and try not to get divorced at the same time.
I have sympathy for someone loosing their job as a result of poor management or economic pressures. I have no respect for pilots that have been working for free for up to a year loosing their job. In my view, they lost their jobs a year ago when they stop receiving their salaries.
because UK employers such as Flybe, Easyjet, TCX, etc would rather take a 250hr 25yr old from CTC, Oxford et al than even interview a local British pilot who would likely be too demanding in their eyes with expect to bases and Ts & Cs whereas the reality is that if you are willing to work in India or Nigeria then Newcastle or Manchester is hardly likely to upset us that much!
