Confirmed Faker. Suggest next move?
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Confirmed Faker. Suggest next move?
An A320 Captain in China has been found out as a faker and fired. He was confirmed as a low hour european f/o until very recently. All paperwork was fake.
I was surprised because of the amount of paperwork checks required by the Chinese but he made it through. It was clear to every pilot that he did not hold his command or even flight hours he said he had.
How do we as an industry ensure that people like this do not get ahead unfairly with their lies?
What will stop them from showing up at another airline claiming to be Captains once again?
Suggestions please.
I was surprised because of the amount of paperwork checks required by the Chinese but he made it through. It was clear to every pilot that he did not hold his command or even flight hours he said he had.
How do we as an industry ensure that people like this do not get ahead unfairly with their lies?
What will stop them from showing up at another airline claiming to be Captains once again?
Suggestions please.
Jail them. Prison time in china sounds about right. This is happening alot more than it should so the only way to deter idiots like this is charge them for a whole lot of offences such as fraud, endangering flight safety etc.
Unfortunately several months ago a whole lot of Chinese pilots faked their hours and were only given re-training. There will be many more in the future Unless someone does something about it.
Unfortunately several months ago a whole lot of Chinese pilots faked their hours and were only given re-training. There will be many more in the future Unless someone does something about it.
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I agree with Jazz Hands, such fakers should be charged with criminal offences, if at all possible, "Unnecessarily endangering life" comes to mind but may be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt. If the falsification of the paper work can be made a criminal offence, (maybe it is?), then a nice fat criminal record will make future jobs very hard to get, possible effect licence issue and certainly effect the issue of an airside pass.
See my previous post for preventative measures. As for how to punish these frauds? Oh I'll go along with whatever you guys want to to do to them and more. I'll also reserve some scorn for the idiots who are responsible for the policies which failed to detect them all throughout the hiring/training/line checking process. Maybe just some caning or other public humiliation for them!
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In the United Kingdom, I expect that the Fraud Act 2006 would apply, "Fraud by false representation" (formerly "Obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception", before 2007), and that's criminal law. But I am not a lawyer. I would expect that misrepresenting yourself to get money (Captain's salary!) would be illegal in most places!
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A diligent pre-employment screening process. Interviews, records, skills/knowledge assessment, background check... Just the usual things done by competent employers.
As "most" foreign pilots in China are employed through a greedy agency perhaps the agencies too ought to be accountable. That would ensure that they did some proper background checks as well, before submitting an applicant! Just a thought.
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Fake Aussie pilot in Air India Express
Looks like another fake pilot in India, but for a change it's an aussie national. It took Rishworth 3 years to find out that he had fudged his flying hours.
See the article below....
Aussie pilot vanishes, derostered - The Times of India
See the article below....
Aussie pilot vanishes, derostered - The Times of India
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Looks like another fake pilot in India, but for a change it's an aussie national. It took Rishworth 3 years to find out that he had fudged his flying hours
All very interesting.
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It's not a new problem. Fate is the Hunter, the seminal pilot's story, has a good chapter on a fellow who did the same thing way back when. He was discovered while navigating West Coast-Hawaii, totally lost.
He was fired from that job, but managed to secure a captain's seat at another company where he ended up killing himself and all his passengers.
He was fired from that job, but managed to secure a captain's seat at another company where he ended up killing himself and all his passengers.
An A320 Captain in China has been found out as a faker and fired. He was confirmed as a low hour european f/o until very recently. All paperwork was fake.
I say take their licenses off them for life.
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How do you "solve" the fake pilot problem ? Simple. Put his/her picture on the front page of every newspaper in the World with the headline:
Fake pilot SHOT.
Sub headline: Don't try this at home !!
Storyline: Fake pilot caught and SHOT by authorities. Etc., etc.
Fake pilot SHOT.
Sub headline: Don't try this at home !!
Storyline: Fake pilot caught and SHOT by authorities. Etc., etc.
Originally Posted by The Times of India
Since the time he joined AI Express as a commander in 2008, Capt Goran Pavicevic has flown over 2,800 hours
He was fired from that job, but managed to secure a captain's seat at another company where he ended up killing himself and all his passengers.
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Have their names and prints sent to every CAA worldwide.
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Normally, NAAs (National Aviation Authorities) are able to produce letters of confirmation for all its license holders. It's strange to see that certain NAAs (in this case: China and India) do not make use of this institution.
A license holder's NAA could easily give answer to the career one has made.
A license holder's NAA could easily give answer to the career one has made.
Confederates...
looking at the AI doc:
http://www.airindiaops.com/aiops/dow...%20landing.pdf
the Hravskan's are pretty well represented. If the "Australian" has falsified docs, would think that a closer look at his mates would be of great interest to the authorities...
http://www.airindiaops.com/aiops/dow...%20landing.pdf
the Hravskan's are pretty well represented. If the "Australian" has falsified docs, would think that a closer look at his mates would be of great interest to the authorities...
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The reason for this thread was to discuss things that we as pilots can do to put a halt to these guys simply moving from airline to airline each time they get found out. Eventually the rank/rating will stick and they will be flying aircraft they have never been trained for or operating in roles they have never been deemed suitable for.
Agencies and employers play a "dont ask, dont tell" game it seems, especially once the person has been hired. Aviation authorities wont go near the issue, especially when it involves flying in another jurisdiction.
Anytime a faker has been found out that I have heard of, they just move on to another continent or region. No long-term detrimental effect on their career from faking professional qualilfications and having put lives at risk.
Airlines just dont want the publicity. Any national press would have a field day with a scandal like a fake captain.
Understandably pprune have a policy of not allowing people to be named. Neither is corporal punishment practically an option I'm afraid... His location is unknown. But if he shows up in another asian country claiming to be a captain and instigates a hull loss in 3 years time who is responsible?
I've seen other threads in this forum get swamped by people wanting to drown this issue. In my mind only someone with a falsified background themselves (whether its experience, flight hours, rank or type) would want to bury this discussion. It's endemic in this industry.
Agencies and employers play a "dont ask, dont tell" game it seems, especially once the person has been hired. Aviation authorities wont go near the issue, especially when it involves flying in another jurisdiction.
Anytime a faker has been found out that I have heard of, they just move on to another continent or region. No long-term detrimental effect on their career from faking professional qualilfications and having put lives at risk.
Airlines just dont want the publicity. Any national press would have a field day with a scandal like a fake captain.
Understandably pprune have a policy of not allowing people to be named. Neither is corporal punishment practically an option I'm afraid... His location is unknown. But if he shows up in another asian country claiming to be a captain and instigates a hull loss in 3 years time who is responsible?
I've seen other threads in this forum get swamped by people wanting to drown this issue. In my mind only someone with a falsified background themselves (whether its experience, flight hours, rank or type) would want to bury this discussion. It's endemic in this industry.