Yak42 crash, Russia
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had a neural disorder (polyneuropathy).
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Hi,
How this pilot was allowed to continue to perform his job ?
What about the medical exams ?
I always read and heard that medical examinations were very strict in the airlines world (safety first !)
That means getting worse of sensitivity and movement coordination of his legs. It starts from 2000. The specialists tell that he may not be aware of position of his feed and/or preasure on the pedals. Wery sad.
What about the medical exams ?
I always read and heard that medical examinations were very strict in the airlines world (safety first !)
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@ jcjeant
How many airlines do you know that are closed joint stock companies with 1000 dollars capital? In the actual MAK report in Russian there are some paragraphs about this YAK Service buisness. Falsifying records, no flight department, no safety department, the second pilot never presented a formal documented proof he was trained for the type. If you are surprised the pilots could be allowed to fly with his condition you will be also surprised this company was allowed to exist for so long, and only in July was seen as 'meeting requirements' and certified to continue operations probably by the same people that now had its license withdrawn - and of course it's not the only company like that. It is a different world to the one you are familiar with. You can be a healthy person but if really needed you can obtain a certificate that you had half of your organs removed before you turned 16 and it works the other way too. In a world where most people at their jobs from bottom up only care about what their immediate bosses say everything is possible.
On the other hand it seems that in a perfectly civilised country like France pilots can be officially allowed to fly even when they don't know how. Possibly done to provide 100% compliance and prevent falsifying records too.
How many airlines do you know that are closed joint stock companies with 1000 dollars capital? In the actual MAK report in Russian there are some paragraphs about this YAK Service buisness. Falsifying records, no flight department, no safety department, the second pilot never presented a formal documented proof he was trained for the type. If you are surprised the pilots could be allowed to fly with his condition you will be also surprised this company was allowed to exist for so long, and only in July was seen as 'meeting requirements' and certified to continue operations probably by the same people that now had its license withdrawn - and of course it's not the only company like that. It is a different world to the one you are familiar with. You can be a healthy person but if really needed you can obtain a certificate that you had half of your organs removed before you turned 16 and it works the other way too. In a world where most people at their jobs from bottom up only care about what their immediate bosses say everything is possible.
On the other hand it seems that in a perfectly civilised country like France pilots can be officially allowed to fly even when they don't know how. Possibly done to provide 100% compliance and prevent falsifying records too.
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Yak Service were not public airlines, it was VIP charter company. That is big diference and I am afraid there are many similar companies with low standard of security. Remember Polish PAF 101... In my country two fatal accidents were in the last years, luckily with small planes. Landing deep under minima and attempt to barrel roll in the flight...
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Yak service is described as a shell company which leased planes owned by others. This plane in particular is said to belong to the Khrunichev Space center which is government-owned, basically a business jet.
Point is Yak service is just a front. The state-owned space outfit is the real villain here.
Point is Yak service is just a front. The state-owned space outfit is the real villain here.
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“Propaganda yes, but not lies...when some russian aircraft crash is happened than all western media tell us about their poor quality, awful maintance, drunken pilots and similar rubbish...but when some western aircraft fall than max you can see is "well, **** happens"
I personally do feel very sorry for the people who had passed away in this tragic accident. The term like western or non western pilot , actually does not really exist at least should not. There are many pilots of the Russian origin at the “ western airlines “ if we continue with this description.. . I do agree with a fact that whenever it comes to the complex and tragic accident, then the voices are being heard , often not being correlated with the topic .. . After reading the news about this crash I may absolutely not state that the pilots health was a real cause. Our African aviation was a good one really all the people were financially set up, and was great one could do whatever one wishes to at anytime. No one was really talking in terms of the financial aspects of the future further flying,,,Yes, it’s great to hear a reminder to stay on concrete accident, I like it.
I personally do feel very sorry for the people who had passed away in this tragic accident. The term like western or non western pilot , actually does not really exist at least should not. There are many pilots of the Russian origin at the “ western airlines “ if we continue with this description.. . I do agree with a fact that whenever it comes to the complex and tragic accident, then the voices are being heard , often not being correlated with the topic .. . After reading the news about this crash I may absolutely not state that the pilots health was a real cause. Our African aviation was a good one really all the people were financially set up, and was great one could do whatever one wishes to at anytime. No one was really talking in terms of the financial aspects of the future further flying,,,Yes, it’s great to hear a reminder to stay on concrete accident, I like it.
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Someone inadvertently pushed the brakes, and the braking power didn't allow to lift off, then the full power was selected, both pilots started pulling the yoke, it didn't help.
I said this crash would be a brake application problem. But rather than being a neurological problem, that caused the brake application, this may be a simple fear/inexperience problem.
With a load of ice-hockey players, the t/o weight may well have been more than the loadsheet suggested. Thus the take-off roll was rather longer than expected. Thus the fearful f/o starts to unconsciously press on the brakes as the end of the runway nears - just like a passenger in a car might do in the footwell of the passenger seat, when his wife is driving.**
Result - unannounced application of brakes and a further retarded take off speed.
We are getting quite a few basic handling problems, mostly it has to be said by the new generation of f/os. I still think that rushing f/os through to a commercial with just 200 hours and bugger all light aircraft/gliding experience is the root of many of these problems. I think a compulsory 3-week course in gliding should be instituted. For the sake of £2,000 (yes, that is all), many of these incidents could have been averted.
Air France - inability to diagnose that 15 degrees of pitch at 36,000 ft is not desirable.
India - lost control in the cruise, while capt was in toilet.
Japan - opening the door with the rudder trim knob.
etc: etc:
** Sorry about that, ladies. ;-)
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Some new details:
Pilots 'Had No Right' to Fly Plane In Yaroslavl Crash | Russia | RIA Novosti
One pilot with falsified documents, other without type rating... Cool! 
Pilots 'Had No Right' to Fly Plane In Yaroslavl Crash | Russia | RIA Novosti
The crew of a Russian airliner that crashed near Yaroslavl last year killing 44 people, including an entire ice hockey team, had no right to fly, investigators say.
Vadim Timofeyev, deputy head of the Yak-Service airline which operated the Yak-42 plane, allowed the two pilots to fly the aircraft "illegally," said Vladimir Markin, a spokesman for the Investigative Committee. One pilot had "falsified documents" and the other had received no adequate training to fly the plane, Markin told journalists.
Timofeyev has been charged with breaching air safety rules, Markin added.
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An official report last year said the pilots inadvertently applied the brake during take-off.
It also said neither pilot was fit for flying, as one had traces of a sedative drug in his blood and the other had been diagnosed with a motor-skill debilitating disease.
Vadim Timofeyev, deputy head of the Yak-Service airline which operated the Yak-42 plane, allowed the two pilots to fly the aircraft "illegally," said Vladimir Markin, a spokesman for the Investigative Committee. One pilot had "falsified documents" and the other had received no adequate training to fly the plane, Markin told journalists.
Timofeyev has been charged with breaching air safety rules, Markin added.
(...)
An official report last year said the pilots inadvertently applied the brake during take-off.
It also said neither pilot was fit for flying, as one had traces of a sedative drug in his blood and the other had been diagnosed with a motor-skill debilitating disease.
