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Lufthansa landing aborted, speeding pilot at fault - The Times of India
The times of India reports:
NEW DELHI: A Lufthansa flight from Munich had to abort landing at the last minute on Thursday when the pilot realised that another aircraft was present on the runway. Interestingly, after investigation it was found that the delay was not caused by the aircraft occupying the runway. In fact, the Lufthansa pilot had reached Delhi much sooner than expected as he had been speeding.
However, a thorough investigation into the matter on Friday revealed totally different facts. Sources said that even if the Jet aircraft had not been occupying the runway, the Lufthansa flight would not have been able to make a landing as its speed was too high to enable it to touchdown. "When an aircraft is 20 nautical miles from touchdown, it should maintain an ideal speed of 180 nautical miles. When it is 10 nautical miles from touchdown, its speed should be decreased to 160 nautical miles. However, the Lufthansa aircraft was at a speed of 300 nautical miles when it was 15 nautical miles away, 260 nautical miles when it was 10 miles away, 230 nautical miles when it was 7 miles away and about 180 nautical miles when the runway was in sight. Because of this, the aircraft approached the runway a good 1-2 minutes before it should have arrived," said sources.
I wonder if the Captain will get a speeding ticket!!
The times of India reports:
NEW DELHI: A Lufthansa flight from Munich had to abort landing at the last minute on Thursday when the pilot realised that another aircraft was present on the runway. Interestingly, after investigation it was found that the delay was not caused by the aircraft occupying the runway. In fact, the Lufthansa pilot had reached Delhi much sooner than expected as he had been speeding.
However, a thorough investigation into the matter on Friday revealed totally different facts. Sources said that even if the Jet aircraft had not been occupying the runway, the Lufthansa flight would not have been able to make a landing as its speed was too high to enable it to touchdown. "When an aircraft is 20 nautical miles from touchdown, it should maintain an ideal speed of 180 nautical miles. When it is 10 nautical miles from touchdown, its speed should be decreased to 160 nautical miles. However, the Lufthansa aircraft was at a speed of 300 nautical miles when it was 15 nautical miles away, 260 nautical miles when it was 10 miles away, 230 nautical miles when it was 7 miles away and about 180 nautical miles when the runway was in sight. Because of this, the aircraft approached the runway a good 1-2 minutes before it should have arrived," said sources.
I wonder if the Captain will get a speeding ticket!!
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Clueless Indian Media
If any of you guys ever visited South East Asia forum, you already know that Indian Medias LOVE TO TWIST FACTS .
Even Indian pilots agree with the statement.
Even Indian pilots agree with the statement.
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LH took off too early
his slot time was .10, and he too off at .03, so arrived at the threshold 2 mins early.... Just not acceptable.
So punished by being requested to reduce to sub orbital speed in a holding pattern.....
So punished by being requested to reduce to sub orbital speed in a holding pattern.....
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Incredibble India.... Has the Journalist listen to the tapes? Was a high speed approach requestet and approved? That speed is good for low drag approach and the environmental benefit is larger then 160 kts at 10 miles. 160kts is too close to the stall speed. So more food for thoughts for the media representatives here, let them figuere out that the Airplane fallŽs out of the Sky when it stallŽs, maybe then they have theire BREAKING NEWS. What a sad profession.
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So are their pilots if they think it's normal to be slowed down halfway from minimum clean speed to approach speed at 20NM to touchdown - as someone has obviously told this reporter.
It was the ATC
What crap.
Since when do Tower controllers use procedural separation based on landing times!!!
They look out the damn window and/or check their own Radar display to know the location ( ground and air ) of all traffic at all times and then issue instructions accordingly. They should also be able to see the groundspeed of airborne traffic as well.
Maybe the LH crew did fly a little faster than normal, the Tower should still be able to separate them ok.
Since when do Tower controllers use procedural separation based on landing times!!!
They look out the damn window and/or check their own Radar display to know the location ( ground and air ) of all traffic at all times and then issue instructions accordingly. They should also be able to see the groundspeed of airborne traffic as well.
Maybe the LH crew did fly a little faster than normal, the Tower should still be able to separate them ok.
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They will be installing speed humps next
Yet another reason to get all them foreigners out of India! Next step, all flights in to India, Indian or not, needs to be crewed by Indian astronauts.
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Why don't they install traffic lights on long poles at say, 20 miles and 10 miles etc.? Then the pilot would know if he should carry on or not.
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already have speed bumps
wake turbulance......
The worst RT/ATC/ and general level of profession skill was always evident in India.
I was bollocked for using the wrong taxiway, one night. It was my mistake, should have taken the unlit, unmarked, unfinished, uncharted taxi way: not the brightly lit, charted and actually in use by the chap in front....Silly me.....and it was too narrow....
So i did the needful.
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The worst RT/ATC/ and general level of profession skill was always evident in India.
I was bollocked for using the wrong taxiway, one night. It was my mistake, should have taken the unlit, unmarked, unfinished, uncharted taxi way: not the brightly lit, charted and actually in use by the chap in front....Silly me.....and it was too narrow....
So i did the needful.
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Heee Heee
I had a similar experence a few years ago with an AA 762 into BHX from ORD.
We did a wide left hand circuit from the North West @ 250 Knots plus (Yes I knew the area) -Flaps up untill we lined up at about 8 NM & 1800. Abeam HON still doing about 180 Kt but now flaps comming down - you could feel the deceleration - Gear down at 4.5, nicely stableised by 3, to a full length rollout, exiting at the end. Yes we were late, but still a very accumplished job in very good weather.
I can still visualise those Warwickshire fields whizzing past beneath us on left base, and thinking "The PF has had a flash back to his days on '105's in South East Asia." or "They are taking the chance to clear some rust out of the flap actuators"
Rather a very nice piece of "Energy Management".
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We did a wide left hand circuit from the North West @ 250 Knots plus (Yes I knew the area) -Flaps up untill we lined up at about 8 NM & 1800. Abeam HON still doing about 180 Kt but now flaps comming down - you could feel the deceleration - Gear down at 4.5, nicely stableised by 3, to a full length rollout, exiting at the end. Yes we were late, but still a very accumplished job in very good weather.
I can still visualise those Warwickshire fields whizzing past beneath us on left base, and thinking "The PF has had a flash back to his days on '105's in South East Asia." or "They are taking the chance to clear some rust out of the flap actuators"
Rather a very nice piece of "Energy Management".
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It is a natural habit for Germans to speed.