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New eruption starting in Iceland? (merged)

Old 23rd May 2011, 21:52
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GYS, some early afternoon BA flights affected too. Other airlines monitoring the situation... let's see how the flock react
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Old 23rd May 2011, 22:23
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The London VAAC is projecting the ash-cloud over Scotland and England for tomorrow. This will probably result in airspace closures. Let's see how everybody reacts, I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes quite the same as last years scenario..
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Old 23rd May 2011, 22:40
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EZY now cancelled Scottish flights.
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Old 23rd May 2011, 22:41
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By 1200z tomorrow the UK will be under an area of ash. Fortunately, most of that will be low or medium concentration which many airlines are now approved to operate within.

I looks like Scotland will be underneath an area of high density ash which may well see a stop to nearly all flying tomorrow although it looks like Edinburgh is clear of the red area by 1200.

Also, the airspace will not be closed like last year. The airlines will be given the information and left to decide whether they want to fly through it.

What happens later in the week is still up for discussion.
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Old 23rd May 2011, 22:46
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Aer Lingus have cancelled flights between airports in Ireland and Scotland for tomorrow;

Aer Lingus cancels flight over ash cloud - RT News

US President Barack Obama left Ireland tonight, ahead of schedule, for the UK in order to avoid any ash related issues (either that or he wasn't enjoying his new found Irish relations!).

Barack Obama in Ireland - As it happened - RT News

JAS
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Old 23rd May 2011, 23:22
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Surely Willie Walsh will go up again to prove that flying in ash is safe?

How could the Met Office and CAA have got it so wrong last year?
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Old 23rd May 2011, 23:32
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The DFS published a document what they will do in case of ash.
PDF of the DFS.
They will close the airspace in case of an ash concentration that is color-coded red on the VAAC charts. I suspect other EASA countries have to follow the same rules.
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Old 23rd May 2011, 23:57
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Not sure about the Ash cloud arriving tomorrow but where I am in darkest surrey it sure looks like a cloud appearing from the north albeit at a very high level in the night sky.

It looks beautiful.
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Old 24th May 2011, 00:33
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Ryanair flight cancellations

Volcanic Eruption - Flight Cancellations 24 May

UPDATED: 23:00hrs (Mon 23 May) NEXT UPDATE: 09:00hrs (24 May)

Ryanair have been advised by the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) that we may not operate flights to/from Glasgow Prestwick, Edinburgh or Aberdeen until at least 13:00 hrs Tuesday 24th May 2011.

Ryanair strongly object to this decision and believe that there is no basis for these flight cancellations and will be meeting with the IAA on Tuesday morning to have this restriction on Ryanair flights removed as a matter of urgency.

Ryanair believe that there is no safety risk to aircraft on fights operating to and from Scotland and together with other airlines will be complaining to the Transport Minister and Regulatory Authorities about these latest and unnecessary cancellations.

The below listed flights have been cancelled as a result of the volcanic ash.
Imagine there are a few eruptions in Ireland at the moment.

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Old 24th May 2011, 05:21
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Ryanair at it already. Everyone else canceling flights and they don't want to. Everyone else not wanting to take the risk but they have a different view.
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I am a bit confused though. In the risk assessment of flying through volcanic ash was it not the ba aircraft years ago that BA flew through some large particle ash in the far east, which then shut down it's engines, and made the windscreen opaque so the captain had to land looking through a small area at the corner of the windscreen that wasn't affected. What also is the risk assessment for passengers and crew breathing in sharp particles of ash as would be present in the cabin.

Does the forecast chart not show large particle ash over Scotland. Where exactly do Ryanair see no risk in that.
Is it no risk, or no profit!
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Old 24th May 2011, 06:45
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Ryanair at it already. Everyone else canceling flights and they don't want to. Everyone else not wanting to take the risk but they have a different view.
Then why don't they take the risk and fly through it? Would it be because its easier to blame the 'authorities'?
There is now a clear policy on how to deal with the ash and its up to airlines to deal with it. All decided to cancel flights. Ryanair decide to cancel flights and blame someone else.


BTW, No sign of the second eruption thats due at Hekla although its been noisy over the past year.

Earthquakes - Mrdalsjkull
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Old 24th May 2011, 07:12
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Ash/Silicon + Pressure/Temperature = making sort of glass in Engines = poor net performance risk = Gravity considerations.

.......At least, right or wrong, that's a simple way to regard it, and then read Notams and fancy new Met sites....

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'Brownstar' .....ref your post, a couple above. I was BA 747 fleet, and once, when sitting next to the captain during a routine classroom event, I asked him why they didn't merely avoid the area to start with. Trouble is, that I can't recall what he said. Must have been a reason, I'm sure.

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Old 24th May 2011, 07:19
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Our (Ryanair) IAA approved procedure is pretty clear, Cyan & Grey = OK, Red = Not OK...

ABZ seems pretty clear cut, guess they were arguing that PIK and EDI were right on the border of the red area.
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Old 24th May 2011, 07:20
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Then why don't they take the risk and fly through it?
If the IAA says no, they can't.
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Old 24th May 2011, 07:22
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How does aviation manage to carry on everywhere else in the world where there are volcanoes ? I recall in the 1984 eruption in Hawaii there were actually sightseeing flights around it - in fact there were Notams out not to get too close due to considerable turbulence and even a chance of a rock through the windshield. But no fusing of engines. No VAAC predecessors enjoying their fame on the TV news.
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Old 24th May 2011, 07:39
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If the IAA says no, they can't.
With the full, prior, agreement of all concerned parties, including Ryanair.
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Old 24th May 2011, 07:46
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On Ryanair subject - anyone noticed RYR2T doing high circuits around the highlands on Flightradar24. Standard air test or will we see MOL on TV shortly saying his aircraft flew through cloud and found nothing..... just a few pence worth lol.
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Old 24th May 2011, 07:53
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Ash/Silicon + Pressure/Temperature = making sort of glass
Let's try that in "Alchemy"!
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Old 24th May 2011, 07:57
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Volcanic ash simply means NO go.

O'Leary is deluded if he thinks he can get his crews to safely fly in the vicinity of volcanic ash, especially at night or IMC.

Run into that stuff in flight and you are in serious trouble.
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Old 24th May 2011, 07:59
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Ryanair believe that there is no safety risk to aircraft on fights operating to and from Scotland
"but that's enough about our clientele, now about this ash cloud...."
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