AF A330 severe hard landing ccs
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IIRC They had had a hard landing which cracked part of the main gear structure, I think the crew reported the hard landing and the onboard QAR recorded it also. Nothing was found during the required maintenance checks however, on the next departure, the gear failed to retract and so they returned at which point the damage was found following a further inspection.
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I think MP is thinking of the Monarch ferried back from SFB to Manchester mid 2007 and a BMI 330 at Manchester with suspected fatigue cracked u/c due to water ingress?
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It is not particularly unusual that a 'failure to retract' defect is traced to a warped/bent/broken or otherwise deteriorated component in the shock strut
That case was an A320
Air Accidents Investigation: 4/2008 G-BXKD
Air Accidents Investigation: 4/2008 G-BXKD
I'll have a look for the Monarch report, I don't think I remember that one.
330/340 gear is unusual in that it has a 'shortening link' for the strut that enables the gear to fit in the bay. There have been one or two issues with this over the years and some inspections. There are sensors there so if they were defective they would prevent gear up selection.
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> There have been one or two issues with this over the years and some inspections.
ONE OR TWO....????
To me, it seems like hundreds!
All those pins like SM7, SM8, SM9, the pintle pin, the chrome detachments, the corrosion, the threads chewn off.
HUNDREDS!
ONE OR TWO....????
To me, it seems like hundreds!
All those pins like SM7, SM8, SM9, the pintle pin, the chrome detachments, the corrosion, the threads chewn off.
HUNDREDS!
To me, it seems like hundreds!
All those pins like SM7, SM8, SM9, the pintle pin, the chrome detachments, the corrosion, the threads chewn off.
HUNDREDS!
All those pins like SM7, SM8, SM9, the pintle pin, the chrome detachments, the corrosion, the threads chewn off.
HUNDREDS!
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As professional aviators, none of us wish to see a major European airline experiencing significant safety lapses. Nonetheless, by any criteria Air France has an unenviable safety record - indeed many third world countries would boast significantly better figures. None of us would entertain the thought of a third world company with a terrible safety record being 'just unlucky', and it would be unwise to think that here. Maybe others with a more specific grasp of statistics could give us chapter and verse, but certainly among western airlines Air France must be near the bottom of the pile. That is not good for anyone - I would hope that someone, somewhere within Air France is looking at these incidents and drawing the appropriate conclusions. No airline is immune from accidents, but safety is really no accident and we should aspire to better than this.
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So what damage occurred?
This incident seems particularly hard to get info on. Both avherald and aviation-safety.net report a safe landing, but jacdec reports substantial structural damage. One poster (Vetech in #6) writes that AF confirmed a collapsed landing gear, which would be quite substantial indeed. Others have mentioned buckled fuselage. Depending on which of the information is accurate, the incident could be many things. So who will enlighten us with officially confirmed info?
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Gear collapse ???
I think we're overreaching again, no gear collapse, but a MLG change is indeed needed (cracks found on MLG), after a hard landing due to windsheer in a TS.
Further repairs can be done after ferryflight back home.
About AF's safety record, it indeed is something that needs to be adressed ASAP, maybe they should take some classes from their partners in blue, they seem to be fairing much better in that regard.
Further repairs can be done after ferryflight back home.
About AF's safety record, it indeed is something that needs to be adressed ASAP, maybe they should take some classes from their partners in blue, they seem to be fairing much better in that regard.
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Can you truly imagine the French mentality accepting lessons from a nation so "blunt" as the other partner not really a marriage made in heaven if you are familiar with the social/cultural personality traits of the two, I would humbly suggest.
Anyhow, KLM are not exactly blemish free non plus, if we think back to when. . . . . Oh, wasn't it just last year when one of their finest launched from a taxi-way at home base. ?
Anyhow, KLM are not exactly blemish free non plus, if we think back to when. . . . . Oh, wasn't it just last year when one of their finest launched from a taxi-way at home base. ?
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hello again,
Collapsed RH main gear is confirmed, seen on arrival.
Also alot of findings(marked) so far on the fuselage, not sure what they found in the fuel tanks but they are still open on the RH side.
AF brought a 747-400ERF yesterday with 70 tons of equipment and parts!!
I have photos, will post tonight.
They have alot of manpower here also..
Collapsed RH main gear is confirmed, seen on arrival.
Also alot of findings(marked) so far on the fuselage, not sure what they found in the fuel tanks but they are still open on the RH side.
AF brought a 747-400ERF yesterday with 70 tons of equipment and parts!!
I have photos, will post tonight.
They have alot of manpower here also..
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Air France have a culture problem - plain and simple. Unfortunately they are too arrogant to accept this. They should take a page out of Korean Air's book and address their cultural issues head on. French culture is pretty unique in Europe - Gert Hofstede showed that clearly. AFR have 3 safety related threads on the front page - if this was an African or Asian airline there would be cries for the company to be blacklisted.
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France is an elitist country.
To access a management position you've got to be gratuated from the best schools like Polytechnique or HEC.
AF has the same recruitment logic for pilots only based on psycho.
At the end they've got a lot of pilots gratuated from the best schools but that have been choosing this job for salary only.
People at AF are brainwashed as to be the best of alls and they have a high picture of their Airline.
They think nothing can happen as they are flying in an AF stamped aircraft.
Proudiness is a consequence of the Airline culture but is not a general french attitude don't misunderstand with sense of honor.
Most of the french pilots including a lot of AF one's are sorry of what happens in the airline and of the image of France that is given by AF.
To access a management position you've got to be gratuated from the best schools like Polytechnique or HEC.
AF has the same recruitment logic for pilots only based on psycho.
At the end they've got a lot of pilots gratuated from the best schools but that have been choosing this job for salary only.
People at AF are brainwashed as to be the best of alls and they have a high picture of their Airline.
They think nothing can happen as they are flying in an AF stamped aircraft.
Proudiness is a consequence of the Airline culture but is not a general french attitude don't misunderstand with sense of honor.
Most of the french pilots including a lot of AF one's are sorry of what happens in the airline and of the image of France that is given by AF.
If there is an undercarraige problem indicated, and you have to burn fuel for THREE hours, and then risk a heavy landing, isn't it more logical to proceed to your destination to make the landing ?
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Was the structural damage (ie fuselage/structure or wing) caused by the initial hard landing, that went un-noticed during the hard landing inspection that should have been carried out? (if it was carried out).
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isn't it more logical to proceed to your destination to make the landing ?