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Old 8th Apr 2011, 10:45
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EASA WAKE UP!
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Old 8th Apr 2011, 10:53
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Bloody hell , look at the einstein look alike french guy who represents EASA , involved in proposing the new rules!!!!! Clearly never set foot on an aircraft in his life. Just a Buraucrat , hippy .

What needs to be considered by the various organisations fighting this is the strategy of modern regulators. One must realise that their client is the Airline Industry and not the general public . I suspect there will be a slight reversal / compromise , however this is the exact tactic they set out to achieve. Let me put it this way , what is really needed to enhance safety is a reduction in the existing flight time limitations. This has fiancial ramifications. So here is the sollution as a regulator , propose new regulation that is far more dammaging , then compromise therebye gaining brownie points for appearing to be doing the correct thing. however the compromise is still worse than what is required. Airlines are happy as they get slightly more productivity , the press coverage talks about a reversal of policy ( so they get some positive press as government) , heck some of the organisations fighting it even get some credibility for taking them on. Whereas in reality the crews and the general public are far more at risk than before. To all those unions / organisations fighting this . You must make no comporomises , the goal is clear, an improvement to current FTL's is the only sollution. Fatigue is serious.

Sadly I know more accidents are in the pipeline , and they will always sideline fatigue as a factor. Good luck to all fighting this.
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Old 8th Apr 2011, 11:18
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Jean Claude Cluzeau (that Hippie Guy, spokesman of EASA):

"The proposal is balanced in terms of economics and social impact."

So the US Regualations are unbalanced!?

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The Easa rep in this clip is a character out of a nightmare..
It gives an explanation of how Easa works and what kind of stuff we as pilots can expect in the future.
Truly scaring..
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Das Erste article was an excellent piece of work that ran a worthwhile comparison, among other things. Now if I was to play really dirty, I'd suggest that you could sell your FTL to passengers. For example, you could print your FTL in your inflight magazines - what you don't have any? Well maybe it could be printed on the receipt for your baggage loading charge.

If this gets through, it has got to be made totally clear to passengers which companies will allow their crews to go up to the new EASA limit and those who have will have more stringent limitations.
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Old 8th Apr 2011, 19:05
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Shut down EASA now.

It seems to me that this is a golden opportunity for BALPA and other similar organisations to go in really hard - as opposed to the defensive postures currently being adopted - and target the individuals responsible for these proposals with a view to having them removed from their posts, and ultimately to get rid of EASA having showed it up for the utterly unsuitable and incompetent organisation it is.
Christ, even the EU said it was a shower of shite, surely that's a good head start.
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Old 8th Apr 2011, 19:18
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This is against all the remains of safety! As a pilot I am shocked...
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Old 8th Apr 2011, 19:41
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Bloody hell , look at the einstein look alike french guy who represents EASA , involved in proposing the new rules!!!!! Clearly never set foot on an aircraft in his life. Just a Buraucrat , hippy .
x2 - what a sick joke of a clown

Thanks for the link, very interesting and worth fighting against those stupid and dangerous rules.

Sheesh, am I happy to be retired .......
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Old 8th Apr 2011, 19:43
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Absolutely incredible.

Do these people ever get out in the real world?

How much room for manoeuvre is left for the individual member states CAAs to block this stupidity?

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Old 8th Apr 2011, 20:00
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It's

Jean-Marc Cluzeau, Head of Safety, Air France Industries

AVIATION WEEK'S MRO EUROPE 2008
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Old 8th Apr 2011, 20:05
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I really hope EASA has learned a valuable lesson here and next time offers up a buxom young lass to explain things.

Somewhere in all this I suspect that the pilot unions have there own cadre of long hairs to contest what they don't want to hear.
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Old 8th Apr 2011, 23:50
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With reference to Hetfield's photograph you have a senior policy making member of easa whose previous employer has had three hull losses in the last ten years one of which occurred during his tenure as head of safety
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Unfortunately public apathy/complacency and an industry acclimatised to declining standards will see this new scheme implemented. Much moaning and little action.
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With reference to Hetfield's photograph you have a senior policy making member of easa whose previous employer has had three hull losses in the last ten years one of which occurred during his tenure as head of safety
Nailed it tl.
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Fourgolds,
So here is the sollution as a regulator , propose new regulation that is far more dammaging , then compromise therebye gaining brownie points for appearing to be doing the correct thing. however the compromise is still worse than what is required
Absolutely right. Asking for something totally outrageous and then compromising on something that would not been accepted in the first place. This is a standard management technique and it even gets a mention n the JAA HPL syllabus!
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lomeopaseo,

Que? your point is...... Anyone who has read the NPA should be shocked. If this is approved and airlines go for it, then IMHO safety will be compromised. Ignoring scientific data on the human body and its peaks and troughs of fatigue is reckless.
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KN, bollocks to EASA, Crewing and my boss. If I'm not well rested I won't be going to work and I couldn't care less if the 'experts' say I can operate safely after 7.5 hours "rest".

Up yours EASA, you bunch of bureacratic nincompoops.

1. "Hello Crewing, I do not feel well rested, I am refusing to check in on the grounds of flight safety. Goodbye."

2. "Hello Crewing, I do not feel well rested, instead of a hire car I am requesting a taxi as is my right. This will cost you circa 200 instead of the 40 it would have cost if I felt rested enough to drive myself. Goodbye."

3. "Hello Crewing, none of my crew are going to operate in to discretion as they did not have enough rest. Please arrange appropriate accommodation for us and our 250 passengers. Goodbye."

Etc., etc..
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Old 9th Apr 2011, 13:19
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New FTLs

This has been coming for years. I was at a BALPA conference years ago, when the then EU Raporteur was presdent to "discuss" the planned EU FTLs. His view, when asked why they coudn't be based on Science, was to effectively say, "You may as well accept you won't get plan A, but let's do a bit of haggling & you may get Plan B. No idea at all of the issues involved.

He was invited to join a crew for a long duty, to experience it first hand; he laughed.

Last week the BBC allocated 1 hour to a File on Four documenatary (repeated this Sunday) on the politicisation of accident reports in 3rd world countries. Later in the week, the UCL study on pilot fatigue produced by BALPA got a 2 minute mention in the morning news.

The esatablishment does not understand nor wish to understand the real issues that are invovled in this subject. Nor many of the other issues that surround large corporate influence & weak regulation.
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Old 9th Apr 2011, 22:12
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The unkempt hippy character, who is dictating our working conditions, has no experience of professional aviation as a pilot.

Reassuring, huh?

Jean-Marc Cluzeau is a Graduate Engineer in Aeronautics with 23 years of working experience in design organisations, airlines and civil aviation administration. From 1994 to 2003, he worked with the Joint Aviation Authorities (JAA) and dealt with continuous airworthiness, mechanics licensing and maintenance Human Factors requirements. He had also been the SAFA program coordinator from the origin in 1996 till 2000. He then joined Air France Industries in 2003 where he held various senior management positions including lately that of Head of Flight Safety Department.

He has been appointed as Head of Flight Standards in the EASA Rulemaking Directorate in August 2008.
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lomeopaseo,

Que? your point is...... Anyone who has read the NPA should be shocked. If this is approved and airlines go for it, then IMHO safety will be compromised. Ignoring scientific data on the human body and its peaks and troughs of fatigue is reckless.
Just this ... I react to scientific data and not to individual opinions of how a person looks.

I have yet to form an opinion on this and reading PPrune isn't helping since it tends to be a one sided opinion using appearances as support.
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