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Old 29th Apr 2011, 11:15
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Zeroth: an excellent summary. Accurate, succinct & non biassed to the many professional pilots in India suffering at the hands of widespread utter corruption (criminal) negligence in standards, training & recruitment - both local & expat alike.

I would like to hear from the AI pilots. Was your line check or sim training form completed before even entering the cockpit or sim? How many patterns (eg NDB/VOR/VNAV,etc, etc approachs were ticked as being completed yet were never performed? The same for non-normals? How can (local) TRI's gain creditation yet unable to fly a raw data approach with a 15 KT x-wind in VMC?

Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt to the core. And yet what is more disgusting is those bearing witness to such practices will rant that it isn't true & that such facts are embellished. Do a review of replies by locals, or even operating procedures at AI and you'll find utter xenophobia. (Eg at AI an expat TRE/I will be made cruise relief to a local Capt of perhaps up to 20 years less experience, or expat FO of > 10,000 hrs put as cruise relief to local kid with 175-220 hrs TT).

Side note: I spoke up against pilots with 175-220 hrs going straight to widebody RHS. I was told they will not be permitted to t/o or land, ie "given flying" for their first 2 years (I think was the number?) & incapacitation drills including autoland is drilled into them. So a) they are not kept current on t/o's & landings, and b) I told them as such a crew consisting of such a very junior FO cannot be permitted to operate into BOM or when BOM is an alternate due a 3.3 deg glideslope prohibiting autoland. Answer? "It's none of your business!"

As written many times: I witnessed first hand such practices. I resigned over it. The DGCA, FAA, ICAO, Boeing & the media all know about it & also have blood on their hands.

For reasons well put by Zeroth, the liklihood of a crew composed of corruptly obtained licenses, (criminally) negligent training & standards, or despicable standards of CRM is overwhelming (goes for FA's as well). The odds are against you, the passenger, of a favorable outcome as opposed to carriers not subject to these same overwhelming, protected & inherent practices. You will NEVER see me or my own on a VT registered aircraft.

Fly on a VT reg at your own risk & peril. Good luck, you'll need it because you're not safe.
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Old 19th May 2011, 23:23
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shortcuts!

so many indians want to take shortcuts to get a job, but something they dont know is , if they do like this for a long time more, more life they will play with. and to be a pilot, u need to be confident, not confident to get the papers so u can land a job quickly.

i saw many indians pilot students in philippines who paid everything they could, cfi, more hours. and stuff like that. but i would never ride a airplane in india with those pilots! arabs who study in cheap ass schools in asia, indians, egyptians, they are all the same. sucky sucky pilots
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Old 20th May 2011, 13:50
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Keep it in perspective

There are problems,some serious, in Indian aviation but it should be kept in perspective(ie nobodys perfect).The 2 biggest problems are:
i)Corruption in DGCA-but corruption is a way oflife in India so what do you do?
ii)Expansion leading to crew shortage leading to rushed and curtailed training.

They should take the emphasis offthe SOP's and get the new FO's up to speed on basics of flying.ie Takeoff and LANDING!When theyre signed off they should be able to land the plane all by their lonesome.Replace the NO TL list with a star system whereby inexperienced Captains are not rostered with inexperienced FO's.But FO's must do 50% flying except monsoon.Mandate hand flying and raw data.Lot of ATR's in India.Encourage airlines to send new cadets to the ATR for 1 year first.

A pilot that is not automation-dependent should be the goal at the end of the first year and then he/she would be ready to transition to jets.Right now theapproach is to make them fly by rote and SOP alone and just monitor automatics..The basics are missing and they should be tackled FIRST!If not,the next crash around the corner will be one following Captain incapacitation.
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Old 22nd May 2011, 04:43
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Sir... This is about IndiGo here. Why drag AI into this? ... I have great respect for you & Capt. C.S., please don't drop from the pedestal the junior captains you coached kept you on. Its been over 18months since you left AI, and I can't say things have changed for the better, however, they have changed. All I can say is that the ship is changing course to the right direction. But being such a monolith, changes cannot be achieved overnight. Also, you recall what happened to Capt. C.S.'s letter which was brought up in the Monday meeting. How can you still say that no action is taken. People may ignore things, but are not blind.
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Old 23rd May 2011, 19:51
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Reputed airline indeed

In Indian English usage, a "reputed" airline is a "reputable" airline.

In British and American usage, in view of the alleged widespread falsification of pilot credentials, it appears many of the Indian airlines indeed may actually be "reputed" airlines!
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Old 24th May 2011, 07:34
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Lets face it, India is not going to become less corrupt, they dont even see deception as wrong, indications are ... its actually happening the other way around....the rest of the world is slowly catching up with Indian levels of personal deciept
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Old 5th Oct 2013, 04:29
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Or it could be a lover's spat gone wrong

People from 9W already know of it. Divorces can be bitter but this one wins the prize in my book


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Jet pilot outsources tests, faces criminal action - The Times of India


MUMBAI: The country's aviation regulator has ordered criminal action against a Jet Airways commander after he was held guilty of hiring an impersonator to pass the crucial exams that earned him his command licence.

Delhi-based Captain Rajesh Sehgal had consistently failed the examinations conducted by the directorate general of civil aviation (DGCA) for several years. But then, in October 2010, he cleared all the three subjects in one attempt. He subsequently fulfilled other requirements (see box inside) and started flying as a commander in 2012.

Recently, however, the DGCA received a complaint alleging that Sehgal had employed fraudulent methods to pass the tests. The regulator instituted a probe into the first ever case of "outsourcing" and discovered that the signatures in the October 2010 examinations differed from Sehgal's standard signature. It issued him a show-cause notice this August, but received no reply.

A fortnight ago, the DGCA declared his exam results "invalid" and barred him from retaking them for three years. "The director-general of civil aviation, Arun Mishra, has ordered necessary criminal action against the Jet pilot. The aviation regulator will suspend or cancel his pilot licence," said a source. He is grounded since September 24.

'I have been framed'

In his defence, Sehgal told TOI on Friday that he was framed by somebody out of personal enmity. Rubbishing the use of an impersonator, he said he cleared the exams in one go because "he spent three months studying"; he attributed the previous failures to his busy flying schedule. "I cleared the 10-mark oral exam too. How could I have used an impersonator there?"

Sehgal has filed a petition with the DGCA and the ministry of civil aviation. "The show-cause notice was not sent to my current address. Neither was a copy sent to the airline. I didn't know of it," he said.

Mishra was unavailable for comment. Jet Airways did not respond to a questionnaire sent on Saturday.

Sehgal, who held a commercial pilot licence (CPL) and had some flying experience, joined Jet Airways as a co-pilot in 1999. At some point, he began making attempts to obtain an airline transport pilot licence (ATPL), the licence required to become a commander.

DGCA's ATPL exam records from 2006 show he consistently scored low in the three subjects—air navigation; aviation meteorology; and radio aids, instruments. From 2006 to January 2010, he gave five attempts per subject and failed in each. Thrice, he scored 29 out of 90 in the air navigation written exam; he did not give the oral test carrying 10 marks. To pass, he needed at least 70 out 100.

"Many pilots take the exams lightly since there is no limit on attempts. A majority of them fail, but scoring 29 out of 90 consistently is uncommon," maintained an airline pilot.

In the October 2010 exams, Sehgal's scores were very different. He got 75 out of 100 in air navigation, 86 out of 100 in radio instruments and 72 out of 100 in aviation meteorology. After this, he completed Jet's ground training for commanders and their relevant simulator checks before beginning to operate flights as a commander.

Sehgal's 2010 attempt caught attention of the DGCA "after it received a complaint, which alleged that he had employed an impersonator in the exams. That was when the probe was set up," said a source.

The DGCA investigation could not explain how the impersonator, if used, was not caught by the exam invigilator. Every candidate has to carry to the exam centre a government-issued photo identity card (such as an airport entry pass, CPL or passport) and the invigilator is required to cross-check the details on the ID with the candidate's hall ticket and the DGCA candidate list.
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Old 5th Oct 2013, 05:26
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Not at all surprised. There will be several guys like these still flying with falsified credentials in the Indian airline industry.
Agreed, Action has been taken against the erring pilot.
But why does not the D.G.C.A. nor the W.P.C. clean up the filth in it's own house first ?

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Old 5th Oct 2013, 10:49
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Plenty of Indian pilots in UAE as well, so odds are you will find some fake ones there as well.
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