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Old 11th Feb 2011, 12:28
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ABC News: Fatigued pilots caught on camera...

The special report shows what we have known for years is happening in this industry and IMHO it will never change no matter what the NTSB, the FAA or government ties to implement.

People want cheap airfares; they don't want to pay for a good and safe service. Well that's what you get, overtired and underpaid pilots.

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Old 11th Feb 2011, 12:46
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I saw the same news story.

Only it was in 1992....
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Excellent topic. Hope the rest of the US media will pick it up and so will the legislators.

But remember what happened last time: a crash due to not adequately trained pilots with a lack of sleep. So what do they do about it:

No:
-Improved salary to pay for proper accomodation
-No rules on proper rest
-No proper rest facilities made available to pilots
-No improved training

Yes
-Increase in minimum hours flying C150 and the like before you are hired as window dressing with no cost to the airlines (how that helps to prepare for working on a complex aircraft is beyond me....)

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The face of the next crew room?

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Those are probably quieter, cleaner and most likely offer a better sleeping environment than those makeshift sleep quarters found in the USA!

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Old 11th Feb 2011, 14:45
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My first thought going into this post was someone had caught a pilot snoring on the flightdeck.
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Checkboard: remove that pic before the LCC's management see it, PLEASE DONT GIVE THE *******s ANY IDEAS
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Old 12th Feb 2011, 01:52
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Re post #4: the cubicles look distressingly like the aft torpedo tube crew "rest" area in EK 777s.
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Old 12th Feb 2011, 04:23
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look distressingly like the aft torpedo tube crew "rest" area in EK 777s
only better!
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Old 12th Feb 2011, 04:46
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another video

Here is the Nightline story

Pilot Fatigue and 'Crash Pads' Threaten The Safety Of Airline Passengers - ABC News

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Old 12th Feb 2011, 19:59
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Hi,

I watched the story (although it does not tell me anything more than I knew before)
The same problem arises in Europe and the regulator (EASA) take no action .. despite repeated requests by pilots
In fact the pilots (who are most concerned ... followed by the passengers who entrust them with their lives) simply have to act themselves
Not well rested .. sorry boss .. I do not fly today!
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 09:42
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jcjent says...

...In fact the pilots (who are most concerned ... followed by the passengers who entrust them with their lives) simply have to act themselves

Not well rested .. sorry boss .. I do not fly today!
Good intention... but unfortunately a very fine l line you may be walking alone. without the support you need.
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Old 13th Feb 2011, 18:31
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Hi,

Good intention... but unfortunately a very fine l line you may be walking alone. without the support you need.
It's just a matter of solidarity and organization between the pilots.
And if the will exist ... the companies will be on a very fine line.
Of course if the pilot are suicidal (fly when not well rested) and want to take with them the passengers in their fate .. nobody can't make a change in the situation !
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...and now that Jetstar intends to hire pilots from outside of Australia in an effort to cut salaries, will there be more of the same "cost-cutting"?
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...and now that Jetstar intends to hire pilots from outside of Australia in an effort to cut salaries, will there be more of the same "cost-cutting"?
The matter at hand is fatgue not petty industrial relation disputes.

The solution is to use a proper Fatigue Risk Management System that actually controls fatigue factors, such as stopping crew rooms being a doss house, rather than just being a fexi-roster.
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Old 15th Feb 2011, 04:39
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such as stopping crew rooms being a doss house
And they might not be forced into that position if they were paid a living wage, but that would cripple your KPI Shellie. Management
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Old 15th Feb 2011, 05:19
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That video should be shown as part of pax brief on nearly every airline worldwide.....

There aint no such thing as a free (cheap) lunch.

Cheap tickets equals lower standards. Basic accounting.
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Old 15th Feb 2011, 10:12
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Reference, Checkboard's pic in post 4...

the next step ....



Note: No hint of sarcasm intended, but consideration as to the effects of fatigue on the flight line.
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Old 15th Feb 2011, 10:18
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Cheap tickets equals lower standards. Basic accounting.
100% right.

However in the current race to the bottom, the drivers are getting screwed - but the first & business punters are not travelling on cheap tickets.

This is not rocket science. In the financial services industry, regulations are becoming more onerous and this will be reflected in product pricing. Likewise, it would be cheaper to build houses without fire regulations - but the fire regs are there and their cost is built into the price.

So why won't governments simply regulate on the grounds of safety - minimum rest, minimum experience standards, etc. This will raise costs and so ticket prices, but if everyone has to do it, then no-one will have an advantage. Punters will just have to pay $5 extra. And they will, without noticing.
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