Crash-Cork Airport
remember, this type was orignally a single pilot plane...stretched to the max
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I recall approx twenty years ago landing at Lille and seeing a Merlin upside down near the runway.I was told this aircraft was operated by the Belgium Airforce.
I wonder if the report for this is available?
(Found it myself!! engine had gone into reverse during touch and go)
I recall approx twenty years ago landing at Lille and seeing a Merlin upside down near the runway.I was told this aircraft was operated by the Belgium Airforce.
I wonder if the report for this is available?
(Found it myself!! engine had gone into reverse during touch and go)
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dirty dive
One of the many problems in transitioning from ILS to visual in Cat 1 (or worse) conditions is that the visual segment available in low RVRs is very short. There is, therefore, an instinctive compulsion to push the nose down in an (unwise) attempt to make this visual segment appear more normal.
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I recall approx twenty years ago landing at Lille and seeing a Merlin upside down near the runway.I was told this aircraft was operated by the Belgium Airforce.
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scottbill is correct about the ''dirty dive''...though I haven't heard that expression used on my side of the atlantic. we call it the duckunder.
it is hard to train for this situation. it requires great cockpit discipline to handle.
all of those fancy gadgets are great...but if they aren't installed, it is up to the pilot.
if anyone ever gets the procedures used by this airline (airline contracted) it would be interesting to know the written procedures for this approach.
it is hard to train for this situation. it requires great cockpit discipline to handle.
all of those fancy gadgets are great...but if they aren't installed, it is up to the pilot.
if anyone ever gets the procedures used by this airline (airline contracted) it would be interesting to know the written procedures for this approach.
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(Found it myself!! engine had gone into reverse during touch and go)
There have been a few instances where they have presumed that is what has occured. The aircraft takes on the characteristics of a ships anchor.
But I don't think this occured in this instance because it would have just stopped in the air.
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Fallout from recent Accident in Cork.
Having read through the entire "Crash in Cork" thread, it got me thinking.
If the outcome was down to pilot error and a culture of commercial pressure, as has been insinuated, then I wonder if the authorities are going to look closer at irish operators who many would see as cowboys. And if so, I wonder if things will change?
Just a thought.
If the outcome was down to pilot error and a culture of commercial pressure, as has been insinuated, then I wonder if the authorities are going to look closer at irish operators who many would see as cowboys. And if so, I wonder if things will change?
Just a thought.
de minimus non curat lex
But this was a Spanish operator............. ??!!
Don't confuse the overall more experienced jet drivers with the less experienced [ in this case] turbo prop drivers.
Experience levels will be a key factor in the accident.
Don't confuse the overall more experienced jet drivers with the less experienced [ in this case] turbo prop drivers.
Experience levels will be a key factor in the accident.
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MondeoZetec.... apart from the destination, what exactly has this got to do with Irish airlines? And which ones would you consider to be cowboys? I would also presume that you have justifiable proof for your accusations.
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I imagine MondeZetec might have a specific operator in mind but in any well supervised environment no operator should be allowed to push at the boundaries of the envelope, and if there is one that does, then the spotlight should surely be on the regulator that permits it.
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if its pilot error, it only means that more and better training must be conducted...and while some of you have mentioned there are no metroliner simulators in europe, there are in San Antonio, Texas, USA! yall come down and see the alamo.
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There are quite a few sims in the US that don't pass the muster when it comes to european approval.
By the time you add all the swings and whistels onto them in relation to EGWS and TCAS and get approval, when you add travel on and TSA
on top its easier and cheaper to do the check in the aircraft.
By the time you add all the swings and whistels onto them in relation to EGWS and TCAS and get approval, when you add travel on and TSA
on top its easier and cheaper to do the check in the aircraft.
de minimus non curat lex
Well Shadow Walker...........nothing like reasoned argument to support your point of view.
How about some cogent facts to dispute my conjecture
How about some cogent facts to dispute my conjecture
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Look guys.
Dems dead, we're alive! There's a natural prurience about these things.
It's the same thing that makes 'Air Crash Investigation' worth making.
Now, while happy speculation will continue..and I welcome it, unless a contributor has some new facts, what will be achieved on here?
Not much.
Crack on by all means, but recognise that it will mostly, mostly mind, be drivel.
Dems dead, we're alive! There's a natural prurience about these things.
It's the same thing that makes 'Air Crash Investigation' worth making.
Now, while happy speculation will continue..and I welcome it, unless a contributor has some new facts, what will be achieved on here?
Not much.
Crack on by all means, but recognise that it will mostly, mostly mind, be drivel.
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I agree totally on the crash itself.
The other issues that this throws up. ie
Crew experence levels
Company ethos
Ticketing fronts for ACMI
Oversight by local CAA
Oversight by national reg CAA while aircraft/crew away for prolonged periods.
Really do looked at but you are right the people who do have a valid points on these subject won't be back to this thread due to the amount of drivel theorys that were getting bounced about.
The other issues that this throws up. ie
Crew experence levels
Company ethos
Ticketing fronts for ACMI
Oversight by local CAA
Oversight by national reg CAA while aircraft/crew away for prolonged periods.
Really do looked at but you are right the people who do have a valid points on these subject won't be back to this thread due to the amount of drivel theorys that were getting bounced about.
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2nd March entry.. Metro, landing in 200M visibility.
Fortunately there had more 'luck'
2nd March entry.. Metro, landing in 200M visibility.
Fortunately there had more 'luck'
