Ryanair evacuation in Kerry
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If they do delete the direct link, they will probably leave this, just go to YouTube and search for Hitler & Ryanair, an unlikely combo but hilarious nonetheless! Brilliant stuff.
I note that the clip has been used several times for other such sketches, none of them as good as this one though.
I note that the clip has been used several times for other such sketches, none of them as good as this one though.
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Well, we now know for sure:
The smoke that developed during the taxi-in phase of the flight to Kerry was due to ingestion of runway de-icing agents. This was confirmed by a note on the company pilot website, without any reference to the Kerry incident.
In other words the evacuation of an aircraft while approaching the terminal and without an indication of uncontained fire or otherwise structural integrity problems - probably not such a brilliant idea.
The smoke that developed during the taxi-in phase of the flight to Kerry was due to ingestion of runway de-icing agents. This was confirmed by a note on the company pilot website, without any reference to the Kerry incident.
In other words the evacuation of an aircraft while approaching the terminal and without an indication of uncontained fire or otherwise structural integrity problems - probably not such a brilliant idea.
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We know for sure? Admittedly, it's highly probable that the aircraft ingested runway de-iceing agents. I've read the post on Crewdock, however this does not confirm what happened in Kerry. Shall we wait for the report on this one before we set anything in stone?
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YO DUDE are you working with BOEING to re-write the emergency procedures for the 737?
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Anytime the smoke or fumes becomes the
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Go to the Smoke or Fumes Removal
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good thing your probably only flying the 737 on flight sim x
leave those decisions to highly trained flight crews
checklist on page 8.18
good thing your probably only flying the 737 on flight sim x
leave those decisions to highly trained flight crews
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Good to so certain, a week later.
d105, and how long did it take for you to be sure they got it wrong?
While I sit here in my smoke and fume filled cockpit, can you call the tower and ask them to send someone out to check whether the runway is contaminated with de-iceing fluid? Thanks, I'll just sit here and wait until they call me back.
Did we ever get that second cup of coffee? Maybe we can have it now while we wait for the news from ATC.
Ah, thanks for that. So, no fluid on the runway then he says, I wonder what else it could be then?
Call the No 1 and see if there's a problem in the cabin? No reply? I wonder why?
I can't see the door through all this smoke to tell you whether that smoke is coming in from the cabin or here in the cockpit and going into the cabin, maybe you could go and look?
If and when it happens to you d105, will you sit there and tell your fellow pilot, it's probably de-iceing fluid, nothing to worry about. Or maybe it isn't, maybe it's a fire in the roof lining or under the floor or ...... boom!
When someone wants your opinion on a matter of life and death, be sure to give the safest option otherwise you might also be on the list of deceased.
While I sit here in my smoke and fume filled cockpit, can you call the tower and ask them to send someone out to check whether the runway is contaminated with de-iceing fluid? Thanks, I'll just sit here and wait until they call me back.
Did we ever get that second cup of coffee? Maybe we can have it now while we wait for the news from ATC.
Ah, thanks for that. So, no fluid on the runway then he says, I wonder what else it could be then?
Call the No 1 and see if there's a problem in the cabin? No reply? I wonder why?
I can't see the door through all this smoke to tell you whether that smoke is coming in from the cabin or here in the cockpit and going into the cabin, maybe you could go and look?
If and when it happens to you d105, will you sit there and tell your fellow pilot, it's probably de-iceing fluid, nothing to worry about. Or maybe it isn't, maybe it's a fire in the roof lining or under the floor or ...... boom!
When someone wants your opinion on a matter of life and death, be sure to give the safest option otherwise you might also be on the list of deceased.
The smoke that developed during the taxi-in phase of the flight to Kerry was due to ingestion of runway de-icing agents.
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Without comment on this incident, it is not uncommon for airlines to instruct 'bleeds off' for landing on winter runways where fluids have been applied to the surface (which is most of them, UK anyway) to avoid ingestion.
That procedure would eliminate rubik's uncertainties.
That procedure would eliminate rubik's uncertainties.
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Rubik101, since I know the smell of heated de-icing agents from 5 years of volunteering at the national airport, I'd probably identify that smell quite quickly.
Perhaps it would help if Ryanair would invest in some actually fire training so their people can tell the difference between electrical fire smoke, gasoline based fire smoke and de-icing fumes.
Regardless, it's not me you need to vent your indignation to. The Ryanair TRAINING DEPARTMENT states that evacuation in cases where no uncontained fire is obvious (fire outside the fire cages of the APU or engines) or where the structural integrity of the aircraft is obviously sound, evacuation is not recommended.
Perhaps it would help if Ryanair would invest in some actually fire training so their people can tell the difference between electrical fire smoke, gasoline based fire smoke and de-icing fumes.
Regardless, it's not me you need to vent your indignation to. The Ryanair TRAINING DEPARTMENT states that evacuation in cases where no uncontained fire is obvious (fire outside the fire cages of the APU or engines) or where the structural integrity of the aircraft is obviously sound, evacuation is not recommended.
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Not recommended, but not not necessary, it leaves open questions for a reason, that statement on paper would be very useful as a paper hat in court defending your actions to stay on board with a possible fire.
I think its really simple, they had smoke, were unsure,, so got the F*** out of dodge!
Why do we need more than that on the pilots? yes maybe training needs to be looked at, and I bet my next 11 pay cheques it will be! for sure ill see this in an RST now.
But, they were not happy, they were stopped on a nice flat bit of runway with 4 working slides and they got out of there before guessing turned into lives.
Necessary or Unnecessary a job well done in my eyes
I think its really simple, they had smoke, were unsure,, so got the F*** out of dodge!
Why do we need more than that on the pilots? yes maybe training needs to be looked at, and I bet my next 11 pay cheques it will be! for sure ill see this in an RST now.
But, they were not happy, they were stopped on a nice flat bit of runway with 4 working slides and they got out of there before guessing turned into lives.
Necessary or Unnecessary a job well done in my eyes
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The last two winters in Europe has seen thousands of flights operating on runways covered in various agents used for snow/ice removal, all without getting filled with smoke.
I've heard of aircraft getting smoke in the cabin because they forgot to turn off bleeds during aircraft deice, but never because of agents on the runway.
It's certainly not a Boeing 737 procedure to switch off bleeds when you land on a "winter runway".
Job well done, IMHO.
I've heard of aircraft getting smoke in the cabin because they forgot to turn off bleeds during aircraft deice, but never because of agents on the runway.
It's certainly not a Boeing 737 procedure to switch off bleeds when you land on a "winter runway".
Job well done, IMHO.
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It's certainly not a Boeing 737 procedure to switch off bleeds when you land on a "winter runway".
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it appeared in the BA 737 order book (probably around 2000) following, I think, a similar incident without an evacuation. No idea if it is still there..
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Lets start with dried Urea and Glycol. particularly stinks when you put it through a hot bleed air system. all that cattle and pig piss going into your lungs, yum yum., forget about being unfriendly to the enviroment, how about unpleasent and unfriendly to my nose. Wellat least you wont get icicles hanging from your nose in chilly weather.
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There are some photos from the local paper, The Kerryman, which show the FA evacuating down the slide.
Carrying bag, lucozade and other things. She is also wearing heels (low).
New rules ?
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Carrying bag, lucozade and other things. She is also wearing heels (low).
New rules ?
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I read this thread rather surprised at some rather ridiculous statements. Clearly some of you know nothing of why smoke and fumes in the cabin is a good reason for evacuation. Obviously they never heard of the Saudia tragedy some years ago. Probably because it hasn't been covered by the Discovery Channel yet!
I was glad to see that someone pointed out that every airport in Northern Europe have had de-icing agents applied for the last couple of weeks. If that's the cause then why has it happened only once or has there been multiple reports of fumes in the cabin? It's far to early to jump to conclusions.
But there was one incident which may get someone into trouble. Featured on the front of the local paper was this:
Apart from being rather undignified she can clearly be seen clutching her handbag, Lucozade and is wearing her high heels. Oh dear!
I was glad to see that someone pointed out that every airport in Northern Europe have had de-icing agents applied for the last couple of weeks. If that's the cause then why has it happened only once or has there been multiple reports of fumes in the cabin? It's far to early to jump to conclusions.
But there was one incident which may get someone into trouble. Featured on the front of the local paper was this:
Apart from being rather undignified she can clearly be seen clutching her handbag, Lucozade and is wearing her high heels. Oh dear!
I would actually imagine that what she is clutching so carefully (and not interfering with the evacuation since she was probably the last one out) was in fact the bar takings!
I have always respected BOAC's postings and I do not doubt that BA warned him at some obscure point in his career that the 737 could just possibly pick up some possible contamination into the air conditioning system and cause fumes.
I personally would like to see this safety notice for it was never dangled under my nose.
I spent the better part of 40 years landing on contaminated runways in aeroplanes varying from the AW Argosy through the DC-10 to the BAe-146 and I never once heard of picking up fumes from the cat's pee on the runway nor did it EVER happen to me.
Certainly it was essential to switch off your air systems whilst being de-iced; every idiot knows this; but I would love to see an instruction that tells me to de-pressurise the aircraft on finals in case we pick up fumes from the runway
during the landing run.
I have always respected BOAC's postings and I do not doubt that BA warned him at some obscure point in his career that the 737 could just possibly pick up some possible contamination into the air conditioning system and cause fumes.
I personally would like to see this safety notice for it was never dangled under my nose.
I spent the better part of 40 years landing on contaminated runways in aeroplanes varying from the AW Argosy through the DC-10 to the BAe-146 and I never once heard of picking up fumes from the cat's pee on the runway nor did it EVER happen to me.
Certainly it was essential to switch off your air systems whilst being de-iced; every idiot knows this; but I would love to see an instruction that tells me to de-pressurise the aircraft on finals in case we pick up fumes from the runway
during the landing run.
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JW - I'm sure you are right about the bar takings
Cannot help with the 'bleeds' order - it definitely happened, but is now lost in the mists of history. Maybe someone else can help? I assume it was thought up to address reversers still deployed at too low a forward speed. I confess to not giving much attention to its implementation. Like you I have had no problems there.
Cannot help with the 'bleeds' order - it definitely happened, but is now lost in the mists of history. Maybe someone else can help? I assume it was thought up to address reversers still deployed at too low a forward speed. I confess to not giving much attention to its implementation. Like you I have had no problems there.
