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China Airlines Cargo 747 off runway in Seattle?

Old 23rd Nov 2010, 01:00
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China Airlines Cargo 747 off runway in Seattle?

Breaking news on CNN.....
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Old 23rd Nov 2010, 01:04
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Didn't trump the freeway traffic jams story here though

KING5 News item:

SEA-TAC AIRPORT, Wash. A cargo plane skidded off an icy Sea-Tac Airport runway Monday afternoon.
The China Airlines 747 from Taipei was bound for Sea-Tac via JFK in New York. It touched down at about 4:45 p.m.
According to the airport, the plane went about 100 feet past the designated landing marker. By the airport's definition, that means it was off the runway, although it was still technically on pavement.
The plane went to the cargo hangar on its own power. Nobody was hurt.
After the incident, Sea-Tac Airport temporarily initiated a ground stop, which meant no incoming planes were allowed to land. The ground stop was lifted a few minutes later
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the plane went about 100 feet past the designated landing marker
Heck, on a 200 foot airplane, the Mains may still be inbounds......
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Looks like it was Dynasty, China Airlines, not Air China...

CI 5391C, went off the end of 34L, wind check 330/15G22, RVR 6000+, braking action reports mostly 'fair'. A tug was sent to push the plane back and they taxied to the ramp. Sounded like a local crew, not an Atlas ACMI flight.

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A little more information about the runway(s)

Runway 34L is the shortest of three runways at KSEA [Seattle Washington U.S.A: 34L, 34C and 34R]. Runway 34L is 8,500 by 150 [2590 X 46 meters(concrete grooved] with a .6% downhill slope.


At the time of this event Seattle was experiencing winter conditions with a north wind (unusual for Seattle) temperatures below freezing and snow falling/blowing. Winds were favoring the north runways.

Typical operations are two runways for landings and one for departure. With the falling snow it is possible one or more runways were unnavailable and the airport was down to a single landing runway-I don't know I was not there.


Runway 34C is 9,426' X 150' [2,873 X 46m] concrete-grooved

Runway 34R is 11,901' X 150 [3,627 X 46m] concrete-grooved
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I was listening to atclive.net a couple of hours before the incident. I know there were some icing issues. I don't think the weather was too great yesterday evening.
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Crew did a good job. Well done!
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Sounded like a local crew, not an Atlas ACMI flight.
Atlas doesn't fly for China Airlines.
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Atlas doesn't fly for China Airlines.
Thanks for the update. As you perhaps know, Atlas started in 1993 with a China Airlines 747 contract. I've seen Mike Charlie 747's with Dynasty livery and callsigns in TPE from time to time over the years.
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Crew did a good job. Well done!
Care to elaborate ?
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What the hell is a designated landing marker.
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Old 24th Nov 2010, 01:10
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Its wunna them there lines that tell ya where to stop...
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"Crew did a good job. Well done!"

This guy must be from CI, or he's the one flying that plane.
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Old 26th Nov 2010, 01:02
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Aircraft Landing weight around the maximum
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FLAP 25
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AUTO 3
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Icing conditions/Rwy clutter
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Runway change to the shortest one during approach
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Autoland
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Aircraft skidding out of the rwy for 100 ft/ 30 mts

Very lucky that was not happening in an airport without safety/stopway area after the end of the runway.
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AUTO 4 or AUTO MAX, plus Full Reverse, usually works well under the above circumstances.
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Devil Crew did a good job, well done!

atakacs & skywalker330......maybe he has to change the tune after it is found out that it could have been a caucasian crew!!
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In fact, it doesn't matter who was flying in that particular flight.
Those kind of incidents are happening all over the world with different companies.

The most important thing about this case is to have a reminder to all of us who operate in icing condition airports.
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..or to effectively calculate your landing distance with the actual met/runway info and get an idea of your personal and legal limits.
Required by EASA.
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In fact, there is the wrong concept among the cockpit crews that the AUTOLAND makes shorter landing distance than manual landings.

That's not true and according to the Boeing's B744 FPPM landing distance for autoland should be factor by 1,15 in Dry Rwy and 1,3 in Wet Rwy conditions.

Lack of self confidence....
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